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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Name the mainstream Christian sect calling for the bible to replace the Constitution.
    Firstly; this counts as a mainstream sect?
    Secondly; the fact that there are no mainstream sects in the US does not mean that there aren't individuals in the US who would like to do so.
    Thirdly, this still isn't 'celebrating in the streets'.
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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    They are not perfectly reasonable, they are complete ****ing idiots.

    How are you going to turn down a good-paying job in this economy, in a city where living is expensive as hell?
    The same way some doctors refuse to perform the lucrative practice of killing babies in the womb.

    Because money isn't the only thing in life.

    I knew a classmate who refused an ROTC scholarship because he didn't want to become a pilot of an airplane that would kill people. Not much of an American if he's not willing to kill others to defend his country, but he had the freedom to choose because he's in America.

    As for the rest, the government shouldn't be providing paychecks to the unemployed anyway. It's not Constitutional.

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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by iangb View Post
    Is it just me, or will this simply ensure that the mosque is built by Muslim contractors, thus further giving rightwing pundits the chance to complain that 'they're not even paying honest Americans to do their work'? Talk about devisive...

    Oh, and what Muslims were there who were celebrating in the streets in the US? From what I recall, the vast majority were condemning the attacks and fearing a backlash - one which only now seems to be uncoiling. It seems I recall correctly.
    That's a possibility.

    Of course, the teamsters won't drive across a picket line, so getting materials to the building site might be problematical....

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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    The government's not involved in denying them their freedom to build, and as far as I know, I haven't heard anyone say that the fed should get involved in denying them the right to build. This is not a first ammendment issue, just as the Laura Schlessinger situation was not a first ammendment issue. In both cases they are free to go forward, in both cases they will have to suffer the peoples opinion for the decisions they made. People that disagree have the right to express that disagreement.



    Will muslims be entering the site to pray and worship their God? If so, and they will be, it fits the very definition of mosque. We have a mega church by us. It contains swimming pools, gymnasium, restaraunts, etc, etc. While it can be more than just a church, it is still a church. By the same token this building can be more than just a mosque, but it will be a mosque.

    Rauf has even stated that one of the reasons this building was necessary was that other mosques in the area were rather full, and this would be able to take in that overflow.
    But you are supporting an angry mob who would like to over-rule the freedom of religion and private property rights of American citizens.

    Additionally, the building will be 13 stories with only 2 stories dedicated to prayer. Do Catholics enter a Catholic Hospital or a Catholic School and pray in the spaces defined for prayer? Yes, they do. That doesn't make the school or the hospital into a church.

    It's a Community Center with, perhaps, a mosque in it; but it doesn't make the entire building a mosque.

    Nonetheless, I'm simply disgusted by people who think they can shame people out of their rights of religion, association, and private property when it's literally only one-block or so closer to Ground Zero than an existing mosque.

    This is simply people like Gingrich, Palin, and Bachmann playing on the irrational fears that people have of "the other". We (the white folks) are "real Americans" (Palin's own words regarding those who agree with her) - THEY are not. How dare "those people" do that.

    This is nothing but unadulterated bigotry. It's shameful and un-American.

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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Freekin elitist are taking over this forum.
    Paging Dr. Diagnosis, Dr. Self Diagnosis, you have a patient in post 38...
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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    You're right not all muslims are bomb happy killers. They are fighting holy war for the so called moderate muslims who quietly support them.

    Qur'an:2:216 "Jihad (holy fighting in Allah's Cause) is ordained for you Muslims, though you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and like a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not." [Another translation reads:] "Warfare is ordained for you."

    Qur'an:4:95 "Not equal are those believers who sit at home and receive no injurious hurt, and those who strive hard, fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause with their wealth and lives. Allah has granted a rank higher to those who strive hard, fighting Jihad with their wealth and bodies to those who sit (at home). Unto each has Allah promised good, but He prefers Jihadists who strive hard and fight above those who sit home. He has distinguished his fighters with a huge reward."
    Yep, just like there are many Biblical passages which, taken literally or out of context, would be similarly disquieting.
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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Then they are not good muslims.
    Hey, everybody, look! Islam finally has a Pope, and he's posting on this very forum!

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Islam by definition means submission. Muslims must submit totally to Allah. Unlike christianity muslims do not get to choose which parts of the Qu'ran to disregard. If they do they are not muslims at all.
    I wasn't aware Christians had that luxury.

    I'm sure there are many Christian pastors, priests and ministers who would also have to profess ignorance of this allowance.
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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    How do I know who the good ones are. The Qu'ran demands that muslims deceive the non believers. Unlike christianity, Islam approves of its followers lying to infidels. So how do I know who the good ones are?
    Well, here you are on this forum, telling us what makes a good Muslim. If you don't know, how the hell are we supposed to?
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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    The same way some doctors refuse to perform the lucrative practice of killing babies in the womb.

    Because money isn't the only thing in life.
    Are you seriously equating a construction project to abortion? Seriously?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    I knew a classmate who refused an ROTC scholarship because he didn't want to become a pilot of an airplane that would kill people. Not much of an American if he's not willing to kill others to defend his country, but he had the freedom to choose because he's in America.
    Well, that's your opinion, and you've got a right to be as wrong as you want.

    Personally, I have no interest in killing to defend the United States either. I'd much rather risk my life for the safety of my neighbors, as a police officer -- in other words, something a little more personal than an abstract concept.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    As for the rest, the government shouldn't be providing paychecks to the unemployed anyway. It's not Constitutional.
    Yeah, well, that's never stopped the government before, and since unemployment is mostly a state-level program I don't see anything unConstitutional about it.
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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    But you are supporting an angry mob who would like to over-rule the freedom of religion and private property rights of American citizens.
    What a crock of ****, we are supporting the right of individuals to exercise their own property rights IE their right of self ownership to refuse to enter into voluntary contracts to build this Mosque. We support property rights apparently you do not. The only cure to negative uses of the freedom of speech is more speech, and in this case the negative use of property rights will likewise be handled through more not less individual liberty, no state intervention necessary only individual citizens invoking their right of self ownership.


    Additionally, the building will be 13 stories with only 2 stories dedicated to prayer. Do Catholics enter a Catholic Hospital or a Catholic School and pray in the spaces defined for prayer? Yes, they do. That doesn't make the school or the hospital into a church.
    lol ya and the Evangelical Mega-Churches are really community centers too I suppose.

    It's a Community Center with, perhaps, a mosque in it; but it doesn't make the entire building a mosque.
    Really? It's a community center? When exactly will they be offering religious services to non-Muslim members of the community? Ya it's a Mosque.

    Nonetheless, I'm simply disgusted by people who think they can shame people out of their rights of religion, association, and private property when it's literally only one-block or so closer to Ground Zero than an existing mosque.

    This is a victory Mosque proposed by an overt Islamist. And a) if such a Mosque exists then it was built before 9-11, b) the actual distance of the existing Mosque is 12 blocks away, and c) if there's already such a Mosque then why the hell do they need another one?

    This is simply people like Gingrich, Palin, and Bachmann playing on the irrational fears that people have of "the other". We (the white folks) are "real Americans" (Palin's own words regarding those who agree with her) - THEY are not. How dare "those people" do that.
    No this is simply a case of an overt Sharia supporting Islamist building a victory Mosque being called out for being exactly what he is.

    This is nothing but unadulterated bigotry. It's shameful and un-American.
    No what's un-American is labeling those who disagree with building a victory Mosque at Ground Zero bigots especially when they have not painted all Muslims in any way, they have said look at this Imam, look what he has said, and look at what he is doing.

    This man claimed that the U.S. was an accessory to 9-11 and that OBL was made in the USA less than 3 weeks after 9-11, has called for a Sharia compliant U.S. in which secular law does not contradict the Koran or the Hadiths, has refused to condemn Hamas as a terrorist organization, and now wants to build a Mega-Mosque at ground zero.

    I guess we must be bigots for pointing out the facts huh?

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