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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    He does practice Islam but the mere fact that you disagree with his opinion on the subject matter doesn't mean he's wrong.
    No he practices political Islam, he is an Islamist not a secular Muslim, he is part of the problem.

    His arguments do have some factual merit, whether you like them or not.
    A) They do not have factual merit.

    B) What factual merit is there in supporting Sharia law?

    We don't restrict people from doing things, just because they have differing opinions on sociopolitical issues.
    Stop answering arguments I've never made, I said that he has the right to build this Mosque but that it's not right to build it. The individual does retain the right to protest the building of this Mosque and refuse to enter into a contractual agreement to build it. But let me guess, you don't really care about the rights of the individual do you? That's a rhetorical question as was made clear by your citing Title 2 of the Civil Rights Act. Oh and just so you know refusing to build this Mosque would not be a violation, because refusing to build the Mosque has no relation to places of public accommodation. Title 2 was aimed at eliminating whites only privately owned places of public accommodation and it bears no relevance whatsoever to the subject at hand.
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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    You're right not all muslims are bomb happy killers. They are fighting holy war for the so called moderate muslims who quietly support them.

    Qur'an:2:216 "Jihad (holy fighting in Allah's Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims), though you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and like a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not." [Another translation reads:] "Warfare is ordained for you."

    Qur'an:4:95 "Not equal are those believers who sit at home and receive no injurious hurt, and those who strive hard, fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause with their wealth and lives. Allah has granted a rank higher to those who strive hard, fighting Jihad with their wealth and bodies to those who sit (at home). Unto each has Allah promised good, but He prefers Jihadists who strive hard and fight above those who sit home. He has distinguished his fighters with a huge reward."
    Heh, I used to have a Muslim friend that would cook me pork products, at his restaurant.
    I guess he wasn't a true Muslim.

    The point is, not all Muslims follow the Koran as written.
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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    No he practices political Islam, he is an Islamist not a secular Muslim, he is part of the problem.
    Well, he won't get far here.
    We don't do religious law.
    Calm yourself.


    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    A) They do not have factual merit.
    His political arguments certainly do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    B) What factual merit is there in supporting Sharia law?
    They don't but we're talking about his response to the WTC attacks and OBL.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Stop answering arguments I've never made, I said that he has the right to build this Mosque but that it's not right to build it.
    In your narrow, misguided view, yes.
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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Heh, I used to have a Muslim friend that would cook me pork products, at his restaurant.
    I guess he wasn't a true Muslim.

    The point is, not all Muslims follow the Koran as written.
    Then they are not good muslims. Islam by definition means submission. Muslims must submit totally to Allah. Unlike christianity muslims do not get to choose which parts of the Qu'ran to disregard. If they do they are not muslims at all.
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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Then they are not good muslims.
    That is your opinion.
    You're no authority of what is a good Muslim though.

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Islam by definition means submission. Muslims must submit totally to Allah. Unlike christianity muslims do not get to choose which parts of the Qu'ran to disregard. If they do they are not muslims at all.
    Christians aren't supposed to pick and choose but they do.

    What do you think you're going to accomplish, making all Muslims disappear?
    Fat chance.
    Instead wasting all this energy bitching and moaning, you could try to get the good ones to liberalize even more.
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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by iangb View Post
    That's Muslims saying that they disagree with what they see as 'US acts of terror', nothing more.
    Bull**** they were calling for Islam to dominate America and all other religions, this group, also, supports terrorist attacks against the United States and Al-Qaeda.

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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That is your opinion.
    You're no authority of what is a good Muslim though.



    Christians aren't supposed to pick and choose but they do.

    What do you think you're going to accomplish, making all Muslims disappear?
    Fat chance.
    Instead wasting all this energy bitching and moaning, you could try to get the good ones to liberalize even more.
    How do I know who the good ones are. The Qu'ran demands that muslims deceive the non believers. Unlike christianity, Islam approves of its followers lying to infidels. So how do I know who the good ones are?
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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Well, he won't get far here.


    We don't do religious law.
    Calm yourself.
    Whether he can succeed is not the issue the point is that he supports it which cleary demonstrates that he is anything but a moderate. He is part of the problem.


    His political arguments certainly do.
    His support for Sharia is a political argument. And no they do not, America was no an accessory to 9-11, OBL was not made in the USA, and Hamas is a terrorist organization.
    They don't but we're talking about his response to the WTC attacks and OBL.
    And his apologetics hold no merit.

    In your narrow, misguided view, yes.
    How are my views misguided and narrow? My views are based on the words and actions of specific individual, his action is one of incitement and his words are one of terrorist apologetics and pro-Sharia.

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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    You're right not all muslims are bomb happy killers. They are fighting holy war for the so called moderate muslims who quietly support them.

    Qur'an:2:216 "Jihad (holy fighting in Allah's Cause) is ordained for you Muslims, though you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and like a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not." [Another translation reads:] "Warfare is ordained for you."

    Qur'an:4:95 "Not equal are those believers who sit at home and receive no injurious hurt, and those who strive hard, fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause with their wealth and lives. Allah has granted a rank higher to those who strive hard, fighting Jihad with their wealth and bodies to those who sit (at home). Unto each has Allah promised good, but He prefers Jihadists who strive hard and fight above those who sit home. He has distinguished his fighters with a huge reward."
    What about the Muslims I showed who 'vocally oppose them?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Bull**** they were calling for Islam to dominate America and all other religions, this group, also, supports terrorist attacks against the United States and Al-Qaeda.
    Even taking that for granted, you've still failed to demonstrate that Muslims were 'celebrating in the streets'.

    Would you deny that there are also many Christians who would like for Christianity to dominate America and all other religions?
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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by iangb View Post
    Even taking that for granted,
    You don't have to take that for granted it's located in the link and clearly stated in the video.

    you've still failed to demonstrate that Muslims were 'celebrating in the streets'.

    Would you deny that there are also many Christians who would like for Christianity to dominate America and all other religions?
    Name the mainstream Christian sect calling for the bible to replace the Constitution.

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