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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    It is all waffle, when an unemployed worker is presented with the offer of a well paid job, principles go out the door.

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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    It sounds like anti-liberty to me.
    Are you saying "liberty" is forcing private citizens to do work for other private citizens if they don't want to?
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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Then they are not good muslims. Islam by definition means submission. Muslims must submit totally to Allah. Unlike christianity muslims do not get to choose which parts of the Qu'ran to disregard. If they do they are not muslims at all.
    I have heard that exact same argument used against Christians when they have disagreements with other Christians...

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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    So many people taking so much joy in disallowing American citizens from enacting their protected civil rights.

    #1 - It's 2 blocks from Ground Zero - so it's not a "Ground Zero Mosque".

    #2 - It's an Islamic Community Center that include - along with prayer space - a basketball court, a theater, and is open to the entire public. Thus, it is not only NOT a "Ground Zero Mosque" because it's not at Ground Zero, it's also not even a Mosque - no more than St. Mary's Hospital is a Church because it has a chapel in it.

    #3 - This is a yet another instance of Conservatives (and wimpy a-holes like Harry Reid) reveling in the restriction of someone's rights. Gotta take away the rights of gays in California to marry; gotta prevent Muslims from building a Community Center; gotta take citizenship rights away from immigrants.

    The only threat to freedom I see comes from the likes of Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, and their supporters.

    If you are against this, then you are in favor of any group preventing the construction of any building on private land anywhere simply because they might take offense to it. Go ahead. Open that can of worms.

    It will very likely get built and there will be people who will build it - in a down economy (especially for construction workers), intelligent beings will take the money.

    Good ol' filmfest guy. There you go throwing the facts in to the argument ruining everything.

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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Good ol' filmfest guy. There you go throwing the facts in to the argument ruining everything.
    Except it was all subjective opinion.

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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Except it was all subjective opinion.
    Oh really? So the following are subjective opinon? if you trully believe that, you need to get out a dictionary and look up the word subjective.


    #1 - It's 2 blocks from Ground Zero - so it's not a "Ground Zero Mosque".

    #2 - It's an Islamic Community Center that include - along with prayer space - a basketball court, a theater, and is open to the entire public. Thus, it is not only NOT a "Ground Zero Mosque" because it's not at Ground Zero, it's also not even a Mosque - no more than St. Mary's Hospital is a Church because it has a chapel in it.

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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Oh really? So the following are subjective opinon? if you trully believe that, you need to get out a dictionary and look up the word subjective.
    Two blocks being a subjective distance designation for it to be in a location or not.

    The amount of dedicated prayer space it takes to be a mosque or not--entirely subjective measure.

    Maybe you need to be busting out that dictionary yourself there, chuckles.

    Thanks for playing though.

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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Two blocks being a subjective distance designation for it to be in a location or not.

    The amount of dedicated prayer space it takes to be a mosque or not--entirely subjective measure.

    Maybe you need to be busting out that dictionary yourself there, chuckles.

    Thanks for playing though.
    Riiiiiiight! So according to you if I give a latitude; longitude that would be subjective too. You probably think calculus is subjective?

    I was hoping this site would be a challenge but so far all I'm seeing is people calling black white, and then when you prove to them it's not, they say you lose are something! Kind of reminds me of the fifth grade.

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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Riiiiiiight!
    I know I am correct on this. Thank you for your quick concession.

    The remainder of your post was just idiotic sputtering and blathering with appeals to the absurd. As such, I simply disregard it.

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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    You are entitled to your opinion of the man. I personally don't know enough about him to say, but based on his actions I don't really have a problem with him.
    Indeed.

    I've been doing a little research on the basis that I knew nothing more than what the anti-mosque people have been saying, and my opinion of Rauf is rising with everything I find. He wrote a book called "What's right with Islam" - you can read an excerpt from it here. In it, he argues that Armerica best represents "Islam's true values", refers to "the waging of peace" as the greatest Jihad, argues that the 9/11 bombers were breaking Sharia law and that Muslim troops in the US army are justified in fighting against other Muslims, and argues for a pluralistic, multi-religious society. To quote directly from the book: "We strive for... a time when Jews, Christians, Muslims, and all other faith traditions will live together in peace, enjoying a renewed vision of what the good society can look like. In this good society all religious voices are welcome and given maximum freedom, and no one religion (or even atheism) is allowed to inhibit any other. Towards this dream we aspire"

    But noooooooooo, it's a 'victory mosque' and he's an anti-American Islamist, because some right-wing bloggers have quotemined him and you shouldn't question something that which confirms your own biases. Seriously?
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