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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    And that's fine, there are plenty of people who will. Hell, I need a job, I'd do it.

    Oh please. Welcome to Capitalism. Yeah, some people may not want to take part but I promise you, there will not be a significant slow-down in construction.

    People happily produce Neo-Nazi, NAMBLA, and Christian Dominionist paraphernalia and materials now in the US as well as rape porn and snuff films. They will have NO problem finding help.
    lol, this is New York City, without the support of the Unions **** doesn't get built. Have fun trying though.

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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    lol, this is New York City, without the support of the Unions **** doesn't get built. Have fun trying though.
    Whatever.

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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    This is liberty at work.

    Those who own the property have the right to have a mosque built.

    Those with the skills and know how have just as much right to not build it.
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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    So many people taking so much joy in disallowing American citizens from enacting their protected civil rights.

    #1 - It's 2 blocks from Ground Zero - so it's not a "Ground Zero Mosque".

    #2 - It's an Islamic Community Center that include - along with prayer space - a basketball court, a theater, and is open to the entire public. Thus, it is not only NOT a "Ground Zero Mosque" because it's not at Ground Zero, it's also not even a Mosque - no more than St. Mary's Hospital is a Church because it has a chapel in it.

    #3 - This is a yet another instance of Conservatives (and wimpy a-holes like Harry Reid) reveling in the restriction of someone's rights. Gotta take away the rights of gays in California to marry; gotta prevent Muslims from building a Community Center; gotta take citizenship rights away from immigrants.

    The only threat to freedom I see comes from the likes of Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, and their supporters.

    If you are against this, then you are in favor of any group preventing the construction of any building on private land anywhere simply because they might take offense to it. Go ahead. Open that can of worms.

    It will very likely get built and there will be people who will build it - in a down economy (especially for construction workers), intelligent beings will take the money.
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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    This thread is revealing the cracks in the fault line here.

    One side insists it's entirely about freedom of choice, the First Amendment, etc.; it doesn't matter what they do with it; they're entitled to do it and that's all we care about.

    But then when some people say "fine, but I'm not going to build it" -- which is a perfectly valid choice to make in a free society -- suddenly it's about MORE than just the First Amendment.

    If it were about the First Amendment, period, these individual people choosing not to help build the place would be a non-issue. I don't why anyone whose actual priority is FREEDOM should care.
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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    As a licensed plumber I took the pledge. They couldn't pay me enough to work on there victory mosque.
    Not to mention one Hell of a commute.

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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge



    This seems relevant.

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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    It fits the textbook definition of a Mosque
    [citation needed]

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    call me when they offer religious services to non-Muslim members of the community and then we can call it a community center.


    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    No that it is ground zero.
    What proof do you have?

    Ground Zero, if you ask the common person, is a SPECIFIC spot on or next to which this project is not.

    [QUOTE=Agent Ferris;1058937608]It's part of the crash site it was struck by the landing gear of one of the planes.[QUOTE]

    Ever think that debris... travels? Debris was found a great distance from the respective crash sites, yet that doesn't magically make that place the crash site itself.


    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Yes they can, good luck getting workers to build it or truckers to deliver the building material, or building material providers to sell to them.
    If they are really dedicated, they will find a way to get what they need.


    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    No proof except the action of building the Mosque itself.
    So basically, you have no proof at all?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Would you support building an Orthodox Cathedral in the town of Srebrenica?
    Can we stick to analogies and questions relevant to AMERICA since this is going on in AMERICA and not thousands of miles away in a different country with different values?

    A country thousands of miles away with different cultural values etc should NEVER be used as a proxy to determine who gets rights in America and who doesn't. Our constitution/bill of rights is.
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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    In response to the hard hat pledge, I would off my services free of charge on the weekends to help build the place. If only I had skills to offer, unfortunately I don't have construction skills. But I could carry **** for the construction folks!

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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny View Post
    This is liberty at work.

    Those who own the property have the right to have a mosque built.

    Those with the skills and know how have just as much right to not build it.
    It sounds like anti-liberty to me.

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