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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    [sarcasm]Yes, he's building a shrine to the hijackers.[/sarcasm]
    You suggested it, not me.

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    Mosque - any place of Muslim worship. A jami-masjid or Friday Mosque is a major mosque where weekly prayer services are performed and a sermon or khutbah is given.
    Then why are the creators calling it a community centre? Are you going to claim they're lying now?

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    The National Socialist Party will very likely not be able to obtain political power in this country either, does that mean we should not condemn them?
    I don't know?

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    Yes yes a community center that only offers religious services to a certain religion. This is a community center like the Evangelical Mega-Churches are community centers.
    If you say so.

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    You don't have a clue what you are talking about this building is part and parcel to ground zero it was actually struck by the landing gear of one of the planes that hit the building.
    What does that mean, part and parcel? That it was near ground zero? It's two blocks away from the crash site. Are you suggesting that all buildings within several blocks of the incident should require buildings that meet with the approval of the public, just because you have some weird attachment to a tragedy? Kind of reminds me about how Muslims are having a Ramadan celebration on 9-11 and people are calling it a terrorism celebration. Must everything be associated with your fixation on history? Seriously, get over yourselves.

    So what if it was struck by debris? Most of Manhattan had debris scattered everywhere, and people were choking on the other side of the island. Am I supposed to care about what you think qualifies as 'acceptable' to occupy the radius of ground zero? It's their private property and they can do whatever they want with it. To suggest they are gloating about the 9/11 attacks is absurd and there is no proof other than paranoid rantings of pundits and their dimwitted followers.

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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Here's my take :

    I believe that it's distasteful for the owners to build this mosque in such a close proximity to 9-11... we have the right to protest the builders and to speak out against it, and attempt to urge the owners to choose a different location, however, we should not infringe on their right to build it simply because we find it distasteful. This will set A VERY BAD precedent.

    So, if they can't find the builders that will work on the project because of its distasteful nature then they will have to cave to public pressure and build elsewhere, however, if this is done through a legal battle and banning them from building there, then it will but another hole in the already tattered remains of the constitution.

    In much the same way that I would speak out against racist groups, and condemn their speech as abhorrent... but they must be allowed to speak their minds or I'm providing the means for my own opinions to be stifled later on.

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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    Then why are the creators calling it a community centre? Are you going to claim they're lying now?
    It fits the textbook definition of a Mosque, call me when they offer religious services to non-Muslim members of the community and then we can call it a community center.

    I don't know?


    What does that mean, part and parcel? That it was near ground zero?
    No that it is ground zero.

    It's two blocks away from the crash site.
    It's part of the crash site it was struck by the landing gear of one of the planes.

    Are you suggesting that all buildings within several blocks of the incident should require buildings that meet with the approval of the public, just because you have some weird attachment to a tragedy?
    It isn't just a building within several blocks of the incident it was a building actually hit by a significantly large piece of the plane that struck one of the towers, it is part and parcel to ground zero.

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    Kind of reminds me about how Muslims are having a Ramadan celebration on 9-11 and people are calling it a terrorism celebration.
    Proof or it hasn't happened.

    Must everything be associated with your fixation on history? Seriously, get over yourselves.

    So what if it was struck by debris? Most of Manhattan had debris scattered everywhere, and people were choking on the other side of the island.
    Not just debris but a huge piece of one of the actual planes.

    Am I supposed to care about what you think qualifies as 'acceptable' to occupy the radius of ground zero? It's their private property and they can do whatever they want with it.
    Yes they can, good luck getting workers to build it or truckers to deliver the building material, or building material providers to sell to them.

    To suggest they are gloating about the 9/11 attacks is absurd and there is no proof other than paranoid rantings of pundits and their dimwitted followers.
    No proof except the action of building the Mosque itself. Would you support building an Orthodox Cathedral in the town of Srebrenica? Would you not question the motivations behind the group making the proposal for that Cathedral?

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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Here's my take :

    I believe that it's distasteful for the owners to build this mosque in such a close proximity to 9-11... we have the right to protest the builders and to speak out against it, and attempt to urge the owners to choose a different location, however, we should not infringe on their right to build it simply because we find it distasteful. This will set A VERY BAD precedent.

    So, if they can't find the builders that will work on the project because of its distasteful nature then they will have to cave to public pressure and build elsewhere, however, if this is done through a legal battle and banning them from building there, then it will but another hole in the already tattered remains of the constitution.

    In much the same way that I would speak out against racist groups, and condemn their speech as abhorrent... but they must be allowed to speak their minds or I'm providing the means for my own opinions to be stifled later on.
    They have every right to build there and we retain the rights to refuse to enter into contractual obligations to trade our labour for their capital and encourage others to do the same.

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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Listen, Agent Ferris, you're on my ignore list. Whenever you reply to anything I say, you're either wasting your keystrokes or committing a lie by omission (by making it look like you actually have a point worth making to which I am somehow unable to respond).

    I just figured I'd point that out.
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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Sounds pretty ****ing stupid. It's private property THREE BLOCKS away from "ground zero". I cant believe the staggering hypocrisy of people who are SERIOUSLY suggesting that building this is anything to be angry at.

    I agree with a previous poster, I'd be willing to pitch in on the construction crew just to torque the OP's poster and his ilk off.
    Hey, they have the RIGHT to build there, but construction workers don't have the right to decide not to work on it?!?!?
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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Hey, they have the RIGHT to build there, but construction workers don't have the right to decide not to work on it?!?!?
    No apparently we can now be compelled to trade our labour for their capital through involuntary contractual obligations. So much for property rights.

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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    WTF does he have to do build a god damn shrine to the hijackers themselves?
    That'd be a start.

    America is predicated on, among other things, freedom of religion; the freedom to believe as you want to believe.

    The building of this center is breaking no local, state, or federal laws. There is no legal grounding to block the construction of the center. "Cuz we don' want it" is not acceptable grounds
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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    That'd be a start.

    America is predicated on, among other things, freedom of religion; the freedom to believe as you want to believe.

    The building of this center is breaking no local, state, or federal laws. There is no legal grounding to block the construction of the center. "Cuz we don' want it" is not acceptable grounds
    I understand that they have every legal right to build it. But once again we have the right not to trade our labour for their capital.

    Good luck getting the building materials from a domestic provider, and if you get the materials from a foreign provider good luck getting them off the dock, and if you manage to get them off the dock then good luck getting the teamsters to cross a picket line, and if you get the teamsters to cross a picket line good luck getting more than just you to help build it.

    Have fun with that, see you in about 30 years after you finish floors 1 through 2.

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    Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    I understand that they have every legal right to build it. But once again we have the right not to trade our labour for their capital.
    And that's fine, there are plenty of people who will. Hell, I need a job, I'd do it.

    Good luck getting the building materials from a domestic provider, and if you get the materials from a foreign provider good luck getting them off the dock, and if you manage to get them off the dock then good luck getting the teamsters to cross a picket line, and if you get the teamsters to cross a picket line good luck getting more than just you to help build it.
    Oh please. Welcome to Capitalism. Yeah, some people may not want to take part but I promise you, there will not be a significant slow-down in construction.

    People happily produce Neo-Nazi, NAMBLA, and Christian Dominionist paraphernalia and materials now in the US as well as rape porn and snuff films. They will have NO problem finding help.
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