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    The new message: 'Improve' health care, don't talk cost

    Key White House allies are dramatically shifting their attempts to defend health care legislation, abandoning claims that it will reduce costs and deficit, and instead stressing a promise to "improve it."

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    The presentation also concedes that the fiscal and economic arguments that were the White House's first and most aggressive sales pitch have essentially failed. "Many don’t believe health care reform will help the economy," says one slide. The presentation's final page of "Don'ts" counsels against claiming "the law will reduce costs and deficit." The presentation advises, instead, sales pitches that play on personal narratives and promises to change the legislation.

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    The Herndon Alliance, which presented the research, is a low-profile group which coordinated liberal messaging in favor of the public option in health care. Its "partners" include health care legislation's heavyweight supporters: The AARP, AFL-CIO, SEIU, Health Care for America Now, MoveOn, and La Raza, among many others.
    New Dem message: 'Improve' health care, don't talk cost - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com

    Probably not the message that most Dems had hoped to be pushing in August of an election year.
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    Re: The new message: 'Improve' health care, don't talk cost

    I guess we really DID have to pass it to find out what's in it.
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    New Dem message: 'Improve' health care, don't talk cost

    Democrats have, apparently, finally come to the conclusion (I assume internal polling) that Obamacare is a big political loser and the number of people supporting repeal is growing. Why else go through all the trouble of trying to move people from the "repeal" camp to the just "improve it" camp?

    BTW, it seems their strategy is just to continue to lie to people about the benefits of the reform. i.e. slide 8. HIPAA already prevents a new employer from denying benefits for a pre-ex condition when the employee had coverage with a previous employer.

    New Dem message: 'Improve' health care, don't talk cost - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com

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    Re: New Dem message: 'Improve' health care, don't talk cost

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Democrats have, apparently, finally come to the conclusion (I assume internal polling) that Obamacare is a big political loser and the number of people supporting repeal is growing. Why else go through all the trouble of trying to move people from the "repeal" camp to the just "improve it" camp?

    BTW, it seems their strategy is just to continue to lie to people about the benefits of the reform. i.e. slide 8. HIPAA already prevents a new employer from denying benefits for a pre-ex condition when the employee had coverage with a previous employer.

    New Dem message: 'Improve' health care, don't talk cost - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com
    Must be a bitter pill for the WH and Co. to swallow. They pass their wet dream bill and instead of the people rejoicing they are pulling out the pitchforks.
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    Re: New Dem message: 'Improve' health care, don't talk cost

    hipaa does that? i didn't realize that?

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    Re: New Dem message: 'Improve' health care, don't talk cost

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    hipaa does that? i didn't realize that?
    Seriously Lib, you should go hit the link, and click on the Powerpoint the story is based off of, you might find it of interest. I really do mean that.
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    Re: New Dem message: 'Improve' health care, don't talk cost

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Seriously Lib, you should go hit the link, and click on the Powerpoint the story is based off of, you might find it of interest. I really do mean that.
    i will....but hipaa certainly doesn't address portability like one might think.

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    Re: New Dem message: 'Improve' health care, don't talk cost

    Hummmm, . . . I've been talking about improving it from day one, saying it would have to be imporved. Could it be they are tlakig about improving beecause that is what is needed? Just saying.

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    Re: New Dem message: 'Improve' health care, don't talk cost

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Seriously Lib, you should go hit the link, and click on the Powerpoint the story is based off of, you might find it of interest. I really do mean that.
    i did. what i found was an illustration of how to communicate the advantages of the healthcare bill in ways people understand. much like, i'm sure, there have been many presentations put forward against the bill. nothing to see, really.

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    Re: New Dem message: 'Improve' health care, don't talk cost

    I'll be the first to admit there's always room for improve. It's the very reason I was so upset to learn that despite accepting some Republicans ideas (contrary to what we've been told) and including them in health care reform legistlations, most Republicans still refused to vote in favor of it. So much time wasted trying to stop it instead of putting forth the very best ideas based on sound research to put forth the very best legistlation Congress could draft. Sad really when you stop and think about it.

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