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    Re: New Dem message: 'Improve' health care, don't talk cost

    Seems to me that the Democrats were wrong in expecting the American people to greet them with bouquets of flowers as "liberators."
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    Re: New Dem message: 'Improve' health care, don't talk cost

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Seems to me that the Democrats were wrong in expecting the American people to greet them with bouquets of flowers as "liberators."
    seems to me the dems underestimated the targeted, insistent influence of the republicans on this one. we always do, sadly.

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    Re: New Dem message: 'Improve' health care, don't talk cost

    Right, because the Republicans are separate and distinct from the American people.

    Not the Republican's fault, though, that the Democrats have governed against the will of the people. Really, really not.
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    Re: New Dem message: 'Improve' health care, don't talk cost

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Right, because the Republicans are separate and distinct from the American people.

    Not the Republican's fault, though, that the Democrats have governed against the will of the people. Really, really not.
    of course not. when that bill was passed, it was NOT against the will of the people. that's changed, because so much misinformation has been spread that people don't even know what the bill is about, except they believe it will entail death panels. THAT'S what republicans are good at, staying on a simple, repeated message, "dems bad, republicans good".

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    Re: New Dem message: 'Improve' health care, don't talk cost

    Oh, but it was, not least because they were disgusted with the tactics being used to pass it.

    It's funny, though; when people favor Democrats, it's because they're smart and "waking up," but when they don't, it's because they're under the thrall of Republican "dirty tricks." Maybe -- just maybe -- they have minds of their own and just don't agree with you.

    In any case, my point stands -- the Democrats aren't getting the flurry of approval they expected, not by a long shot. If you have to blame boogeymen to make you feel better about it, go ahead.
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    Re: New Dem message: 'Improve' health care, don't talk cost

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I'll be the first to admit there's always room for improve. It's the very reason I was so upset to learn that despite accepting some Republicans ideas (contrary to what we've been told) and including them in health care reform legistlations, most Republicans still refused to vote in favor of it. So much time wasted trying to stop it instead of putting forth the very best ideas based on sound research to put forth the very best legistlation Congress could draft. Sad really when you stop and think about it.
    Rep. hands were tied as far as stopping the bill. The very best they could do was to try and incorporate some good ideas into it. That doesn't mean they should have been expected to vote for a bill that they found to be bad, just because they contributed in a small way to it.

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    Re: New Dem message: 'Improve' health care, don't talk cost

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    of course not. when that bill was passed, it was NOT against the will of the people.
    70%? against on the day it passed was not against the will of the people?

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    Re: New Dem message: 'Improve' health care, don't talk cost

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    70%? against on the day it passed was not against the will of the people?
    ma'am, every time i have asked you to post facts, or have challenged you on anything, you have not replied. i believe about half were opposed, and not a few were misinformed. please link 70% opposed when the bill passed. thanks.

    Health care reform in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    On March 22, 2010—one day after the health reform bill was passed by the US House—a Gallup/USA Today poll found that 49% of Americans thought the bill was a “good thing,” 40% said it was a “bad thing” and 11% had no opinion. In reaction to the enacted bill, 15% of Americans said they were “enthusiastic” about it, 35% were “pleased,” 23% “disappointed,” 19% “angry," and 8% had no opinion. A combined 50% had favorable views, versus 42% had unfavorable views. The poll had a +/- 4% margin of error.[93] However, by July 2010, 53% of Americans favored repeal of the recently-passed law.[94]

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    Re: New Dem message: 'Improve' health care, don't talk cost

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    70%? against on the day it passed was not against the will of the people?
    I don't know if it ever got that high (maybe on an outlier poll), but they were certainly against it when it passed. Some polls showed a plurality in favor of it after it passed, but with big misgivings about it, and that didn't last long at all.

    Well, Queen Nancy was right -- we couldn't find out what was in it until after it passed -- and when they started to, people really turned on it.
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    Re: New Dem message: 'Improve' health care, don't talk cost

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i will....but hipaa certainly doesn't address portability like one might think.
    If the insured (the child) had received treatment within the 6 months prior to the effective date of the new policy, he will be subject to a 12 month waiting period where he will not receive coverage for that specific condition (completely different then the emotional “insurance company won’t give coverage” stated on the slide) . However, that waiting period is reduced by the amount of time they were covered by the prior insurance plan (including COBRA) offered through his prior job. Consequently, if they simply had coverage for one year there will not be any waiting period applied. They are playing emotional games.

    (a) Limitation on preexisting condition exclusion period; crediting for periods of previous coverage
    Subject to subsection (d) of this section, a group health plan, and a health insurance issuer offering group health insurance coverage, may, with respect to a participant or beneficiary, impose a preexisting condition exclusion only if—
    (1) such exclusion relates to a condition (whether physical or mental), regardless of the cause of the condition, for which medical advice, diagnosis, care, or treatment was recommended or received within the 6-month period ending on the enrollment date;
    (2) such exclusion extends for a period of not more than 12 months (or 18 months in the case of a late enrollee) after the enrollment date; and

    (3) the period of any such preexisting condition exclusion is reduced by the aggregate of the periods of creditable coverage (if any, as defined in subsection (c)(1) of this section) applicable to the participant or beneficiary as of the enrollment date.

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