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    Re: Ground Zero Mosque Group Says It Has No Plan to Move Site or Meet With N.Y. Gover

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    Why do you disagree? What in the constitution says that they aren't allowed to build this mosque. After all we do have freedom of religion.


    As I previously explained, go back and read my post, Islam is not a religion alone as it is also a very radical form of totalitarianism that seeks to dominate the world as its main goal. Hence, when you take Islam in totality for what it really is, a totalitarian theo-political ideology that seeks world domination via the imposition of Sharia, then it is clear that Islam is not protected under the free exercise clause of the first amendment of the constitution, as Iím sorry but the constitution isnít a suicide pact.

    OK you keep on thinking that Sharia law will work in the U.S. It goes against our constitution, plus it seems we as a nation have such a fear of Islam that it will never happen.
    Really, where did I ďthinkĒ that (as if you can read my mind) or in any way insinuate that nonsense? Are you hallucinating?

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    Re: CNSNews.com Ground Zero Mosque Group Says It Has No Plan to Move Site or Meet Wit

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamaYoMoma View Post
    Or terrorists can be secular as well. Terrorists are politically motivated extremists and target innocent civilians. However, in contrast to terrorists, Jihadists, on the other hand, in reality are devout Muslims who emulate the prophet Muhammad because he is the Sunnah, the supreme example and the perfect model for emulation. However, the problem with emulating Muhammad is that he was also a very vicious murderer, rapists, and pedophile among other things, most of them not good.

    Nevertheless, jihadists can wage jihad using non-violent, stealth, and deceptive means and also violent means. However, when they wage jihad via violent means they emulate the prophet and there werenít any limits to Muhammadís brutality and viciousness.

    In any event, most devout Muslims, while they are not terrorists, are jihadists, as by far more jihad takes place in the world via non-violent, stealth, and deceptive means that for the most part takes place behind the scenes than takes place through violent means. For instance, jihad can be as simple as giving zakat, or it can involve immigrating to the West for the purpose of demographic conquest. There are literally thousands of different non-violent means of jihad that can be employed, and most of them like I said take place via non-violent, stealth, and deceptive means behind the scenes. However, some of it also takes place by violent means as well, in stark contrast to terrorism, which always only takes place through violent means targeting innocents.

    In addition, jihad is always and only motivated by the mandate for Muslims to wage jihad for the spread of Islam via the imposition of Sharia.
    You can document the bolded part?
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    Re: CNSNews.com Ground Zero Mosque Group Says It Has No Plan to Move Site or Meet Wit

    Far-rigties: Write this down on a piece of paper and tape it to your bathroom mirror.

    we don't want to turn an act of hate against us by extremists into an act of intolerance for people of religious faith
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    former Solicitor General under W. His wife died on AA flt. 77 (9/11 Pentagon)

    I think that he deserves the last word on this.

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    Re: CNSNews.com Ground Zero Mosque Group Says It Has No Plan to Move Site or Meet Wit

    I got into a discussion about this on FB and I'd like to just post what I said..I just basically let what I was feeling all out.

    Also I'd like to add, their seems to be some very valid reasons as to why many middle eastern Muslims dislike America. We treat them like complete ****, the only reason we even stick our nose in their business is because they are sitting on... a plethora of oil. Despite what people will say the 9/11 attacks were not carried out in the name of Islam but as an act of revenge of U.S. involvement in Lebanon in the 80's (from Osama himself). Also placing sanctions in Iraq which leads to the death of over half a million children and going to war with the wrong country isn't going to win you any praise either. Then when your president's adviser comes out and says the deaths were "Worth it", well that's only icing on the cake isn't it? People wonder why they hate us so much over there but it is fairly obvious why they do. We have been treating them like dirt and killing men, women, and children over there for a very long time.

    I'm in no way trying to defend 9/11 but I'd like people to realize their is another side to the story. Their hate for us is justified to a certain extent. They like their way of life the way it is and don't want us to interfere so why not just leave them alone! I'm just sick of hearing all this mosque stuff. There is already another mosque two blocks away from the ground zero and one in the pentagon. This is just a manufactured controversy by the right to gain support. I give them credit though, it's a good controversy because your typical American isn't smart enough to see through the bull ****.
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    Re: Ground Zero Mosque Group Says It Has No Plan to Move Site or Meet With N.Y. Gover

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That was exactly what I thought when I read his post.
    Well, as I've said before, great minds think alike.

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    Re: Ground Zero Mosque Group Says It Has No Plan to Move Site or Meet With N.Y. Gover

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamaYoMoma View Post
    ...it is clear that Islam is not protected under the free exercise clause of the first amendment of the constitution...
    The U.S. Supreme Court has made no such ruling. Neither has a constitutional amendment been adopted and ratified toward that end. Unless that happens, Islam enjoys the same First Amendment protections as any other religion. Needless to say, nothing in the Constitution prohibits the prosecution of individuals/organizations that are involved in criminal activities, providing material support to terrorists, etc.

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    Re: Ground Zero Mosque Group Says It Has No Plan to Move Site or Meet With N.Y. Gover

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    You just blew it, James. You are now going to be targeted by a few here as a fake Conservative. LOL. That's OK, though. I know you are the real deal.
    i always thought james was the real deal. he's consistent.

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    Re: Ground Zero Mosque Group Says It Has No Plan to Move Site or Meet With N.Y. Gover

    From the UK I have to say that this looks alot like a storm in a teacup

    It's two blocks from 9-11. It's a private building. It's a multicultural city.

    What's the big problem here?

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    Re: Ground Zero Mosque Group Says It Has No Plan to Move Site or Meet With N.Y. Gover

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamaYoMoma View Post
    As I previously explained, go back and read my post, Islam is not a religion alone as it is also a very radical form of totalitarianism that seeks to dominate the world as its main goal. Hence, when you take Islam in totality for what it really is, a totalitarian theo-political ideology that seeks world domination via the imposition of Sharia, then it is clear that Islam is not protected under the free exercise clause of the first amendment of the constitution, as I’m sorry but the constitution isn’t a suicide pact.
    Well many people disagree with you and consider it a religion. And in my eyes it is a religion, but what is it important is that until the U.S. Supreme Court says otherwise it will remain a religion in the eyes of the law.

    Really, where did I “think” that (as if you can read my mind) or in any way insinuate that nonsense? Are you hallucinating?
    I left out a few words when I wrote it. But even Sharia Law makes its way here to the U.S. it will not hold any water because it goes against our constitution, so I am not worried about it.

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    Re: CNSNews.com Ground Zero Mosque Group Says It Has No Plan to Move Site or Meet Wit

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You can document the bolded part?
    You obviously donít know what Islam is and naively assume it is like other faith-based religions. Not surprising. However, in stark contrast to faith-based religions, Islam unique in the world is a religion of submission where the freedom of conscience is forbidden under the pain of death and whereby all Muslims must submit to the will of Allah, i.e., Sharia.

    For instance, as an adherent of a faith-based religion I can freely pick and choose what it is I will believe and what it is I will reject, and I can even freely choose to leave the religion if I so desire. However, if I were a Muslim, on the other hand, I have no choice in the matter since in effect Iím a slave of Allah. Hence, if I so much as question the tenets of Islam that would be construed as blasphemy, and blasphemy is a serious offense in Islam that is punished under the pain of death. Furthermore, as a Muslim I wouldnít be able to freely leave the religion of Islam if I so desired, as murtaad (apostasy) is a serious offense under Islam that is likewise punished under the pain of death.

    In Islam, you are either a Muslim, i.e., a slave of Allah, or otherwise you are the infidel, and, of course, if you are the latter then you must be killed.

    But religion isnít all that Islam is. Since with Islam you also get Sharia, as Sharia is intrinsic to Islam, Islam is a very radical form of totalitarianism that seeks world domination as its main goal. Indeed, Sharia institutionalizes systematic persecution and often violent oppression of females and non-Muslims and incorporates draconian punishments such as lashings, stonings, beheadings, and amputations, while forbidding the freedom of conscience, the freedom of speech, and the freedom of religion, at the same time it also mandates death to apostates. In addition, Sharia commands all Muslims to wage offensive jihad for the spread of Islam via the imposition of Sharia, and this mandate to wage jihad for the spread of Islam is the sixth pillar of Islam. Hence, if you take Islam in totality for what it really is, far more than just being a religion alone Islam in fact is a totalitarian theo-political ideology that seeks world subjugation via the imposition of Sharia.

    Therefore, because the obligation to wage jihad in the cause of Allah for the spread of Islam is the sixth pillar of Islam, all devout Muslims that are capable must adhere to that pillar. However, as I previously stated in previous posts, jihad can be both violent and non-violent, stealth, and deceptive, which means it can be as non-violent as just giving zakat or as violent as being a suicide/homicide bomber.

    Finally, the vast overwhelming amount of jihad that takes place in the world today takes place for the most part behind the scenes via non-violent, stealth and deceptive means, and for a good example of stealth and deceptive non-violent jihad in action, letís take a look at Western Europe. In Western Europe wherever mass Muslim immigration is occurring we see the vast overwhelming majority of Muslim immigrants instead of assimilating and integrating like other immigrant groups, forming Muslim no-go zones instead ruled by Sharia in direct contravention to the laws of the states in which they reside. This form of non-violent stealth jihad is known as demographic conquest, and it provides documentation per your request.

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