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    Re: Scarborough: 'Screw' GOP if they kick me out for defending mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    You need to keep up...... most are no questioning their right to build, but whether it is right to build where they want to build, got it?
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    Re: Scarborough: 'Screw' GOP if they kick me out for defending mosque

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    You keep repeating that as though it means something.
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    Re: Scarborough: 'Screw' GOP if they kick me out for defending mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    You keep repeating that as though it means something.
    Newt said it wasn't right to build the Mosque there..... he saw the word "right" and took it from there.
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    Re: Scarborough: 'Screw' GOP if they kick me out for defending mosque

    Still no news of the whereabouts of radical Islamic cleric Imam Feisel Rauf, who has connections to Hamas, Fatah, AMIR, AMSA and other radical, anti-Semitic organizations. Rauf is the head of "Cordoba House" - the radical right-wing Islamic Mosque that liberals wish to have built.

    He cannot be found.

    He is on a State Department Visa with U.S. Taxpayer money, picking up cash from radical Islamic governments.

    He is anti-Semitic and homophobic ... yet liberals *are pleading* for this Mosque to be built under the rubric of "freedom of religion." Obama rejects Christianity but sides with Islamic radical anti-Semites; as does the majority of Democrats, liberals and "progressives."

    Hate by anyother name is hate. Bigotry is bigotry.

    Stop hate.
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    Stop homophobia.
    Stop the Ground Zero Mosque.
    Stop Liberal support of Bigotry and Racism.
    Stop Liberal support of Islamic terrorism and death.
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    Re: Scarborough: 'Screw' GOP if they kick me out for defending mosque

    Actually Newt said the Nazi's have no right to build next to the jewish holocaust museum. He then quickly tied the mosque to that analogy. He never said the Muslims don't have the "right" just that Nazi's don't have the right. But the Nazi's ain't a religion and Muslims ain't nazi's and...and... hell, it's Newt. Who cares anyways?

    Kinda like the art of tieing Iraq to Al Queda. It's an old trick. A way to suggest yet leave lot's of wiggle room. Sheeple eat that kinda stuff up.

    I'm takin' odds that somebody will take the buy-off and it will never come to pass. Then the <fill-in-the-blank> political party will come victoriously claiming they stopped the construction of the mosque. I also predict this will transpire close to election day.
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    Re: Scarborough: 'Screw' GOP if they kick me out for defending mosque

    You know what? I misstated the standard of review for time/place/manner restrictions; it's intermediate scrutiny and not strict scrutiny. Doesn't really matter, but just in the interest of being accurate.

    Also, it's pretty much all a moot point anyway, because time/place/manner restrictions are valid for expression, not for exercise of religion.
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    Re: Scarborough: 'Screw' GOP if they kick me out for defending mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No.

    A time/place/manner analysis is applied to restrictions of expression. As in, a restriction could survive if it restricts ONLY the time, place, or manner (among other things). If there's no restriction, no prior restraint, there's no TPM argument.
    The mosque in question is in fact an expression and the argument is restricting it's place because of the perception that this particular imam may be doing so for improper reasons which is exactly a TPM argument.

    And my "no, it's not" referred to yelling "fire" in a crowded theater always being illegal. It's the most misquoted, misused legal canard I can think of this side of "finders keepers."
    Yelling fire in a crowded theater is always illegal, if someone is injured then charges are legitimate. Sorry that is correct.



    Uh, yes, I said that.

    But you can't sue someone and enjoin their conduct based on TPM if there's no restriction. It is a test as to the constitutionality of a prior restraint.
    I get
    that. The point is that the mosque is under scrutiny at the moment and there is a movement to restrict.




    And I kinda had to know a little bit about it to pass the bar, so if you want to pull out a ruler . . .
    That wasn't the intention, just establishing a little credibility.





    OK, fine; in specific circumstances, TPM review could come into play.
    Which is all I'm saying.




    Yeah, that fits with what I said. But "for a generation" just ain't gonna cut it.
    No problem, which is why I narrowed the definition to specifically those who the offense may pertain to.




    When it is so, it turns on the facts of the situation, not the time it's done. This is not a "time" restriction.
    Well, true. It's more of a manner argument, I was quick posting so suggested it to time as in thinking hours of operation. Which is a well duh moment since the theater would not be full after hours. Chalk that one up to not thinking on my part.





    I don't even know what you're arguing here. This doesn't make sense, considering what you're responding to. But it looks to me like your'e again applying TPM analysis to the activity, not restriction of the activity.
    I meant the place argument as pertaining to the proximity argument. Something about the place argument not always being relevant.






    Those do not refer to "manner."
    Actually I could argue that it does. Saying the same things in different tones and with different intentions do fit the manner argument. It's all about the context.




    If you knew the facts of that case, you would understand why that's not a good response.
    Well, she was negligent in that she specifically took actions which led to her injury.
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    Re: Scarborough: 'Screw' GOP if they kick me out for defending mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    You need to keep up...... most are no questioning their right to build, but whether it is right to build where they want to build, got it?
    It doesn't matter. It's not their right to stop it being built. If they succeed, I will challenge EVERY Christian church everywhere who disagrees with my politics or if I simply think the architecture is offensive.

    If you are trying to prevent this from being built, you are not for freedom of religion. Their freedom of religion trumps yours, Newt's, or anyone else's right not to be offended.

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    Re: Scarborough: 'Screw' GOP if they kick me out for defending mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Exactly - defending the separation of church and state and the 1st Amendment as a whole is certainly proof that he's rejecting the right-wing wackiness that's taking over too many Conservatives in this country.

    I never thought I'd see so many Republicans against religious freedom, but there it is. Obvious as day.
    I bet not one word was said about the Greek Orthadox chuch that was destroyred in 911 and is still trying to get permission to rebuild. That shows it is not about church and state and the right to build.

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    Re: Scarborough: 'Screw' GOP if they kick me out for defending mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    I bet not one word was said about the Greek Orthadox chuch that was destroyred in 911 and is still trying to get permission to rebuild. That shows it is not about church and state and the right to build.
    This is not accurate. We discussed this in another thread. The story is they where negotiating with the Port Authority for a location to build a larger church, and the discussion broke down on money. If the church wanted to rebuild at it's former location, it could have already started.
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