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    Re: Scarborough: 'Screw' GOP if they kick me out for defending mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    What's your excuse for Pat Buchanan being on MSNBC?
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    Re: Scarborough: 'Screw' GOP if they kick me out for defending mosque

    Anyone want to count the number of amendments to the constitution the republicans want to change so far this year?
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    Re: Scarborough: 'Screw' GOP if they kick me out for defending mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    What's your excuse for Pat Buchanan being on MSNBC?
    Buchanan is there to provide historical reference as it applied to the Nixon era. Scarborough is the token RINO over at MSNBC -- the only one I believe that's still there, and his role is to provide historical reference between 1994-2001, when he resigned in 2001 after one of his aide's was found dead in his office, amid conspiracy theories stating said aid had skull fractures from the autopsy. The way Joe's Website describes his "retirement" from Congress...

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    In May, 2001, Joe retired from Congress to spend more time with his children, practice law, and launch a cable news program.
    The controversy stems from the aide fainting and hitting her head on his desk and dying, to the aid had a heart attack, fainted, and hit her head on the way down and died from possibly both... to the autopsy showing it was a heart attack. The aide, Lori Klausutis, had her Wiki page deleted apparently. Be that as it may... Scarborough is plays patty cake with the uber liberals for a nice amount of pay, and gives MSNBC a shred of unbiasness politically. In reality - the man's a hack and always has been. He's not however, stupid. He knows where his bread is buttered and of course he plays patty cake well with the best of the liberals at MSNBC.
    Daily Kos founder Markos Moulitsas apparently mentioned the incident - which got him banned from MSNBC.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Scarborough: 'Screw' GOP if they kick me out for defending mosque

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    Anyone want to count the number of amendments to the constitution the republicans want to change so far this year?
    How many official bills are in committee for constitutional amendments? Can you post the links?
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Scarborough: 'Screw' GOP if they kick me out for defending mosque

    Here's the key to the mosque argument: Time/Place/Manner, it is the most standard test to whether expression is protected or not. The Time - A generation in which the worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil claimed the life of nearly 3k civilians, an attack carried out by Islamic(i.e. not moderate muslim) extremists. The Place - two blocks away from the epicenter of said attack. The Manner - this is speculative, is it outreach? Perhaps. Is it a way of rubbing salt in the wound of a city victimized by the aforementioned attack? Also perhaps.

    It is an ill advised time and place and the manner is questionable, especially given that the cleric in charge of the effort is of dubious motive and has said inflamatory things including but not limited to partially blaming our country for the attack and stating that we should be Sharia compliant. These are things that should raise questions and would apply equally to any religious movement in which an attrocity was attributed, had the Phelps clan been violent I would fully understand a movement to deny a christian church within a close proximity of said attack, as I would wince at anything that would likewise qualify.

    So can they build that mosque? Probably. Is it offensive? Depends upon the person I quess(I am offended because of the specific players). Should they build it there? Uh, no.
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    Re: Scarborough: 'Screw' GOP if they kick me out for defending mosque

    That's not how a time/place/manner analysis works. It's applied to the governmental restriction, not the actions of someone exercising a right, and for a fundamental right, such a restriction must withstand strict scrutiny.

    "A generation" wouldn't exactly be a narrow tailoring. Among various other obvious problems.
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    Re: Scarborough: 'Screw' GOP if they kick me out for defending mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    That's not how a time/place/manner analysis works. It's applied to the governmental restriction, not the actions of someone exercising a right, and for a fundamental right, such a restriction must withstand strict scrutiny.
    Absolutely correct. I was referring to the potential for a zoning board to deny the permit of operation or for an issuance of said permit to be overturned in court. My fault, I wasn't clear on the intent.

    "A generation" wouldn't exactly be a narrow tailoring. Among various other obvious problems.
    This is true. The definition of generation as used would have to be narrowed to ours in my opinion. I think that would be proper for the purposes of this arguement since we are the ones who have the immediate memories of such and are thus affected by the actions. This generation would include we the public, survivors of the incident, those who became ill because of the toxins at the site, and family/friends of the deceased.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Scarborough: 'Screw' GOP if they kick me out for defending mosque

    Morning Joe is an old school conservative that believes balls are balls and strikes are strikes regardless of who the batter is. It is no surprise that the new-day "conservatives" are kicking him to the curb. I can relate.

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    Re: Scarborough: 'Screw' GOP if they kick me out for defending mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Not to my knowledge actually. As best I understand their position, it is that the people should not build the mosque, not that they cannot. You are actually 100 % correct as best I know.
    I agree. I don't think anyone on either side of the fence is trying to deny them the right to build it, but rather to point out the potential "salt on the wound".
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    Re: Scarborough: 'Screw' GOP if they kick me out for defending mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Morning Joe is an old school conservative that believes balls are balls and strikes are strikes regardless of who the batter is. It is no surprise that the new-day "conservatives" are kicking him to the curb. I can relate.
    Morning Joe is anywhere between 3-7 MSNBC liberals and one so-called "conservative". The guests are I'd say 3 to 1 liberals, and that's being kind. I watch the show every morning ... doesn't change Joe plays patty cake and is the token RINO.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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