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    Re: Mich. school practices 11 p.m. to 4 a.m.

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Then you practice at night. There isn't alot of options here.
    From 11pm to 4 am? absurd...
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    Re: Mich. school practices 11 p.m. to 4 a.m.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    From 11pm to 4 am? absurd...
    Apparently not for this school. It was the only way for the majority of the team to be able to practice safely.
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    Re: Mich. school practices 11 p.m. to 4 a.m.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Since when did high school football teams become democratic?
    Who said they're democratic? The coach gets to decide when practices are held. He chose to do it at these times, presumably because it worked out best for everyone involved.

    I just don't understand why anyone who is not involved would object to this - if it works for the team, who cares?
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    Re: Mich. school practices 11 p.m. to 4 a.m.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    We didn't. We did have occasional track meets on Saturdays, but never practice...
    Are you talking about track or football?
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    Re: Mich. school practices 11 p.m. to 4 a.m.

    The safety and the well being of the school kids is pertinent here.

    This is not a religion based thing, this is a time based thing.

    The MAJORITY of the team, if the practices were done at a "normal time", would either have to:

    1. Be physically put at risk of severe health issues including death
    2. Quit the squad so as not to violate their religious tennets
    3. Skip the practices but stay on the team, thus punishing the entire team with lack of training camp practice
    4. Violate their religious beliefs and practice

    There's no winning scenario in there for the students, both the muslims nor the non-muslims, on that team. You force the issue and you either have health issues, no football team, or a bunch of teenagers that feel they are forced to violate their religious beliefs.

    If the entire team was fine with changing practices rather than having the potential for players to die, or having the potential to have no football for the entire year, I have no problem for it. I see the religious thing as an explanation, not a reason. The reason the practice is moved is so that everyone can practice safetly. The explanation as to why that's the case is that many of them are muslim and thus would have to either quit or subject themselves to extremely hazardous situatiosn (which would be illegal for the school to allow them to do anyways) if they practiced at normal times.

    In this case I think we need to step out of the politics, step out of the need to be "right" and crusade against "double standards" because christians can't pray at a game, and actuall think of what the real role of schools generally should be and what's best for the kids.

    Putting them in a situation where there are severe health concerns is not best.
    Canceling football all together for everyone because you can't field a team is not best.
    Basically tanking the season by not having preseason camp is not best.
    Forcing kids to have to violate their religious beliefs to "not let the team down" is not the best.

    The best option for the well being of the kids, ALL the kids on the team, would be to have the practice at a time that everyone could attend safetly.

    To me, this just isn't really a religious issue and would be easy to argue against it if someone tried to use it as precedence for one. If 3/4ths of the team worked at a particular summer job whose hour was during practice and the option was either move practice, cancel football season cause we can't do preseason practice, or force 3/4ths of the team to quit their job I'd say the same thing as I am here.

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    Re: Mich. school practices 11 p.m. to 4 a.m.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Ummm...good Friday is a school holiday
    Not at any school I ever went to.
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    Re: Mich. school practices 11 p.m. to 4 a.m.

    I believe they got agreement from everyone before proceeding.
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    Re: Mich. school practices 11 p.m. to 4 a.m.

    Actually a night-time practice due to daytime heat is a logical choice.

    But to change the practice because of Ramadan: absolutely not.

    We live in a pluralistic society (so says the ACLU); absolute Islamists must abide by our "pluralistic" society with *no* handouts, favors or time off.
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    Re: Mich. school practices 11 p.m. to 4 a.m.

    Quote Originally Posted by GayLibertarian View Post
    Actually a night-time practice due to daytime heat is a logical choice.

    But to change the practice because of Ramadan: absolutely not.

    We live in a pluralistic society (so says the ACLU); absolute Islamists must abide by our "pluralistic" society with *no* handouts, favors or time off.
    No one was FORCED to agree to this, I think its admirable to the other players who agreed to this.

    I'd have done it for my soccer teammates.

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    Re: Mich. school practices 11 p.m. to 4 a.m.

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    Further more, all it will take is one player to file a lawsuit, claiming he felt intimidated into agreeing to these late night practices for Islam...
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