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    Re: Mich. school practices 11 p.m. to 4 a.m.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    If you can find examples where a school was sued for holding practices mon-sat in order to make it easier for kids to go to church or sun-fri in order to allow kids to observe the sabbath, you'd have a strong argument. I'm not aware of any cases where this occurred, but I could very well be wrong.
    Considering that school is in session on Monday through Friday, it is unsprising that team practices would also be those same days of the week.

    Nice try, though...
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    Re: Mich. school practices 11 p.m. to 4 a.m.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    There's a fairly significant difference between a team actually conducting an organized prayer on-field and a team agreeing to schedule their practices at times that will allow their players to meet off-field religious obligations.

    This is the equivalent of a team agreeing to practice only mon-sat in order to allow kids to go to church on sunday.
    Actually, in my experience, the prayers are student led.

    This IS organized. Good practices are HIGHLY organized by a faculty member of the school. That is far more organized than a short student-led prayer before a match...
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    Re: Mich. school practices 11 p.m. to 4 a.m.

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    Muslims can't eat or drink anything during the day during Ramadan, does that include water? If it does than it could be a safety hazard to have these kids doing anything physical on empty stomachs, and lacking hydration. Especially during August heat. I don't think this is putting Islam on some greater pedestal than other religions, just may be a safety precaution.
    It does include water. No nothing... You would have to ask Laila if there exceptions for the aged or ill (I hope there is)

    I read about an NFL player last week who practices during the day during Ramadan... I think it is dangerous to practice like that in the heat of the day without water. It just doesn't make sense. During Lenten fasts, we are allowed to drink water during the fast. Even not eating after a rigourous workout is not smart (though I am speaking from the perspective of an endurance athlete -- I don't know about gridiron football players) but no water is just plain stupid.
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    Re: Mich. school practices 11 p.m. to 4 a.m.

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    Well what are you gonna do? Not have practice? You can't have the kids have practice when they can't drink water, or eat. It's either not have practice, or have practice at night. The school chose to have practice at night.
    Would they do the same and not have a game on Ash Wednesday or Holy Thursday/Good Friday for Catholics. I have heard of Christian schools forfeiting tournament games because the state interscholastic athletic authorities would NOT give such consideration for Christian teams.
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    Re: Mich. school practices 11 p.m. to 4 a.m.

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    Have practice be optional? I don't know, but you can't have these kids practice during the day.
    August practices can't be optional. It is the most important time of the season to prepare for the autumn sports schedule. I was a soccer player in high school and all of our core training and teamwork drills were developed in the summer. In season work was mostly about preparing for specific opponents, adjusting to the inevitable injury, or adjusting when things weren't working... You can't miss pre-season two-a-days and three-a-days... simply not an option...
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    Re: Mich. school practices 11 p.m. to 4 a.m.

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    V, you can't really win here. You can either, not have practice because of religion, or change the time because of religion. Either way the school has to accommodate, these students religious practices. Unless you want to cut all the Muslims off of the team, but that would be because of their religion, so I'm assuming you would be opposed to that as well.
    The Muslims would be cut from the team because they couldn't make the summer practice schedule, NOT because they were Muslim...
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    Re: Mich. school practices 11 p.m. to 4 a.m.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    And why would some schools avoid having practice on Sundays?
    Because there is no school on Sundays?
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    Re: Mich. school practices 11 p.m. to 4 a.m.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Actually, in my experience, the prayers are student led.

    This IS organized. Good practices are HIGHLY organized by a faculty member of the school. That is far more organized than a short student-led prayer before a match...
    Yes, but they are not organized religious activities. An organized prayer in a situation where one has to draw attention to themselves to not take part is something else entirely. I believe that is the legal thought, that organized prayers, even when student led, that force students who wish to not take part to separate themselves are not allowed.

    The difference in your example and this is that the prayers are organized religious activities, practice is an organized secular activity.
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    Re: Mich. school practices 11 p.m. to 4 a.m.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Because there is no school on Sundays?
    And why is there no school on Sunday?
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    Re: Mich. school practices 11 p.m. to 4 a.m.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Yes, but they are not organized religious activities. An organized prayer in a situation where one has to draw attention to themselves to not take part is something else entirely. I believe that is the legal thought, that organized prayers, even when student led, that force students who wish to not take part to separate themselves are not allowed.

    The difference in your example and this is that the prayers are organized religious activities, practice is an organized secular activity.
    I have not heard of students being forced to participate in them.

    The scheduling of this even is based on religious considerations. The school I used to teach at told teachers not to schedule exams on Jewish holidays, but didn't give similar consideration for Catholics on Holy Thursday/Good Friday.

    The hypocrisy regarding treatment of Christians vis a vis other faiths in public life in the U.S. is disgusting, and even more disgusting that many liberals support the hypocrisy...
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