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    Re: Mich. school practices 11 p.m. to 4 a.m.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    How is the state giving preference to a religion or otherwise using state resources to accomodate that religion? Again, how is this any different than choosing not to hold practice on Sundays?
    One Question Right, WHY have the moved the practice to 1100PM?

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    Re: Mich. school practices 11 p.m. to 4 a.m.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    One Question Right, WHY have the moved the practice to 1100PM?

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    Religion. No if's and's or butts about it.
    V, you can't really win here. You can either, not have practice because of religion, or change the time because of religion. Either way the school has to accommodate, these students religious practices. Unless you want to cut all the Muslims off of the team, but that would be because of their religion, so I'm assuming you would be opposed to that as well.
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    Re: Mich. school practices 11 p.m. to 4 a.m.

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    V, you can't really win here. You can either, not have practice because of religion, or change the time because of religion. Either way the school has to accommodate, these students religious practices. Unless you want to cut all the Muslims off of the team, but that would be because of their religion, so I'm assuming you would be opposed to that as well.
    Nope, they'll have to bend to a secular society and adapt. That means drinking water to practice, or not playing football.

    Society has, through the courts, made it clear that there is no place for Religion in our schools. Why is that true for Christians, but not Muslims? Are THEIR rights more important then everyone elses?
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    Re: Mich. school practices 11 p.m. to 4 a.m.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    One Question Right, WHY have the moved the practice to 1100PM?

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    Religion. No if's and's or butts about it.
    Why do you not have classes on a Sunday?

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    Religion. So clearly its hypocritical that you can't pray at football, this school lets its Muslims players practice at 11pm, and students dont go to classes on Sunday, despite the fact that going to school for an extra day would mean that much more learning and be much more efficient.

    Or maybe its that we don't go to school on Sunday for the reason they pratice at 11pm, because a large number of people have a religious obligation and tradition and so we build our society and community around that. Regarding sunday classes its a national consideration, regarding the Muslim holy month its only a local one at a single high school, but the only difference between the two is scale.

    Would you then be suggesting its hypocritical for the ACLU or whoever your boogey-men are to not be advocating for the removal of Sunday from the weekend and as a designated "rest day?" It sounds to me like you see all issues or questions which involve religion even in the slightest to all have one universal answer, and to make considerations for one of these issues but not another is hypocrisy.

    Anyone can see the issues are more complex than that.

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    Re: Mich. school practices 11 p.m. to 4 a.m.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Why do you not have classes on a Sunday?

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    Religion. So clearly its hypocritical that you can't pray at football, this school lets its Muslims players practice at 11pm, and students dont go to classes on Sunday, despite the fact that going to school for an extra day would mean that much more learning and be much more efficient.

    Or maybe its that we don't go to school on Sunday for the reason they pratice at 11pm, because a large number of people have a religious obligation and tradition and so we build our society and community around that. Regarding sunday classes its a national consideration, regarding the Muslim holy month its only a local one at a single high school, but the only difference between the two is scale.

    Would you then be suggesting its hypocritical for the ACLU or whoever your boogey-men are to not be advocating for the removal of Sunday from the weekend and as a designated "rest day?" It sounds to me like you see all issues or questions which involve religion even in the slightest to all have one universal answer, and to make considerations for one of these issues but not another is hypocrisy.

    Anyone can see the issues are more complex than that.
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    Re: Mich. school practices 11 p.m. to 4 a.m.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    One Question Right, WHY have the moved the practice to 1100PM?

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    Religion. No if's and's or butts about it.
    And why would some schools avoid having practice on Sundays?
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    Re: Mich. school practices 11 p.m. to 4 a.m.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Traditionally YES, that's why Sunday was a day off. Now it's just Tradition. You=
    Well thats debatable, and more importantly its not what we are debating. Here's what I see, so long as all parties involved are satisfied with whatever arrangements are made regarding considerations for religious respects than there is no issue. If everyone wants to have a pre-game prayer, fine, if no one does, fine, if the coach and players of this football team want a 11pm practice and those non-Muslims are willing to compensate thats fine.

    But at the same time its never 100% agreed upon, and sometimes whilst living in a society one must make sacrifices. I'm sure there are non-Muslim players on that team who don't want to practice from 11pm to 4am, but they do anyway because the people in charge decide this consideration to the majority of their players will be made or perhaps they are just good team mates. Perhaps your pre-game prayer was a similar situation, and just had to be given up because of a general societal and community decision.

    What I really have a problem here is with the constant whining and complaining and then dragging some totally unrelated issue, this football team, into the picture to complain not only about your lost pre-game prayer but also that MUSLIMS are somehow getting away with something. It seems to me to be such a minor issue and you act like its the end of the world, in my opinion you should refocus this energy on arguing something more meaningful.

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    Re: Mich. school practices 11 p.m. to 4 a.m.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Nope, they'll have to bend to a secular society and adapt. That means drinking water to practice, or not playing football.

    Society has, through the courts, made it clear that there is no place for Religion in our schools. Why is that true for Christians, but not Muslims? Are THEIR rights more important then everyone elses?
    It's not a reasonable request though. Asking a player to completely ignore a big part of their faith won't go over too well. No matter what religion were talking about. A school must accommodate for a students religious beliefs, thats why Jewish kids are allowed to wear a yamaka, muslims a veil. There is a difference between forcing, and accommodating.
    Obviously enough students couldn't make practice due to Ramadan, so they made plans accordingly. If it was only one or two students, I'm sure practice would of resumed normally.
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    Re: Mich. school practices 11 p.m. to 4 a.m.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    You should check US Laws, since we are talking about the USA. What happens in Canada is Canada's business.
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    You should also read source material you post. This article is about a legal challenge to a school district deciding to not allow a group to pass out bibles at the school. I kinda suspect that the challenge will succeed as well, since I can't see any justification for not allowing bibles to be passed out after school hours by private groups, as long as other religions can do the same.

    The first ruling said schools cannot set aside time for prayer, the second, unlike what your source says, outlawed schools from "composing an official school prayer"(Engel v. Vitale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia), the third case involved school sponsered bible reading(Abington School District v. Schempp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia), and the fourth said that displaying the ten commandments in public school is a violation of separation of church and state. None of those say children cannot pray in school(they can), cannot take bibles to school(they can), cannot read those bibles(again, they can). What they all say is that the school cannot sponsor a religion or religious activity.

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    Re: Mich. school practices 11 p.m. to 4 a.m.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    It sounds like the situation is mutually agreeable to everyone, especially since the team is predominantly Muslim as the article states.

    Why would the ACLU get involved if there is no complaint being filed?

    Another pointless and baseless attack on Islam.
    You mean like when they get involved when teams in strongly Christian communities have a team prayer prior to a game/match and no one on the team is complaining about it?

    ACLU double standard if they don't get on this one...
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