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    Re: Mich. school practices 11 p.m. to 4 a.m.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    not if it results in something as absurd as 11pm-4am football practices...

    It is not so absurb in this case now is it, as it is being done, and is serving the members of the football team well. Allowing the entire team to practice together to prepare fo the upcoming season

    Something that would not be possible otherwise in this case
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    Re: Mich. school practices 11 p.m. to 4 a.m.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    It is not so absurb in this case now is it, as it is being done, and is serving the members of the football team well. Allowing the entire team to practice together to prepare fo the upcoming season

    Something that would not be possible otherwise in this case
    I don't know about you, but in August, I would rather be asleep in the wee hours of the morning... and who is paying the extra expense of the lights... those lights are very expensive to run for five hours a night...
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    Re: Mich. school practices 11 p.m. to 4 a.m.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I don't know about you, but in August, I would rather be asleep in the wee hours of the morning... and who is paying the extra expense of the lights... those lights are very expensive to run for five hours a night...
    I would rather be asleep as well

    But it appears being able to play football on a very competitive team is more important to the students then being asleep in the wee hours of the morning. It certainly appears that being able to win during the football season is important to the muslim and not muslim players

    And having a football team is even more expensive then having lights on at night. Imagine the money spent on all the away game travel expenses, the equipment, the lights for regular games at night. The school system could save alot of money just shutting it down entirely
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    Re: Mich. school practices 11 p.m. to 4 a.m.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I didn't play gridiron football... I played soccer and ran track...
    Ah, well then your expereinces with practices aren't even applicable here because they are from from entirely different sports which have different focuses in practice.

    While I know strategy is a factor in soccer and track, it's not on the same level as it is with football where every play has assigned duties for every player on the field.

    This adds a layer of importance to football practices not found in other sports because every single moment on the field involves a designed play that is meant to be executed in an exact fashion and in unison, where a single member of the team who is not on the same page as the rest will have disasterous effects for the play.

    When I played football, if even a third of our team would have had to miss practice at a certain time or day, but they could all make it at another time or day, there would have been no hesitation at all to run the practices at a later time.

    Nobody on my team would have wanted a bunch of people politicizing the choices made for team unity for the advancement of their own self-absorbed agendas.

    The problem here is that when these kids can't practice, the entire team suffers. If it was a single player, that'd be one thing, but when a significant portion of the team wouldn't be able to practice, that's going to hurt the team as a whole. I'm not sure if that would happen in soccer or track, but I know it would happen with football.
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    Re: Mich. school practices 11 p.m. to 4 a.m.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Coach-supervised practices are not permitted to begin before a date specified by the governing body for high schools sports in the state.
    That's why my team did midnight practices. So that we got our first practices in as soon as legally possible.
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    Re: Mich. school practices 11 p.m. to 4 a.m.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Ah, well then your expereinces with practices aren't even applicable here because they are from from entirely different sports which have different focuses in practice.

    While I know strategy is a factor in soccer and track, it's not on the same level as it is with football where every play has assigned duties for every player on the field.

    This adds a layer of importance to football practices not found in other sports because every single moment on the field involves a designed play that is meant to be executed in an exact fashion and in unison, where a single member of the team who is not on the same page as the rest will have disasterous effects for the play.

    When I played football, if even a third of our team would have had to miss practice at a certain time or day, but they could all make it at another time or day, there would have been no hesitation at all to run the practices at a later time.

    Nobody on my team would have wanted a bunch of people politicizing the choices made for team unity for the advancement of their own self-absorbed agendas.

    The problem here is that when these kids can't practice, the entire team suffers. If it was a single player, that'd be one thing, but when a significant portion of the team wouldn't be able to practice, that's going to hurt the team as a whole. I'm not sure if that would happen in soccer or track, but I know it would happen with football.
    Strategy not much of a factor in track, except for individuals in middle and long distance races and working together is not required, but you are WAY OFF base regarding soccer.

    In football, you have plays. The plays are called by the coach and everyone knows where everyone else is going to go based on how the play is drawn up.

    However, unlike in gridiron football, where the kids play for seven seconds and play with themselves for 40 while the coach is communicating the next play in, real football plays with a running clock with only a break at halftime. There is very little coaching that goes on while the match is going on. Players have to know through practice and experience where their teammates are going to be in any given fluid situation because it can't be drawn on a playbook, like in gridiron football. I am not denigrating the importance of practice in gridiron, but your comments about real football are way off base...
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    Re: Mich. school practices 11 p.m. to 4 a.m.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    In football, you have plays. The plays are called by the coach and everyone knows where everyone else is going to go based on how the play is drawn up.
    Which is why there needs to be more practice in football. Each one of those plays needs to be practiced over and over again so that people learn how to adjust to what the defense is doing for each play.

    The defense needs to learn how to adjust a called play when the offense is running or when it is passing, how to react to a playaction, how to read that it's playaction. Look for pulling linemen to read a sweep/end around. Where the receivers are likely to break, etc.

    Then you have to practice what will be done when the opponent calls certain plays. How to read a defenseive package, how to read the offensive play as it's happening.

    People who don't know anything about football think that just because the play is called and designed it always goes according to the "plan". The truth is, it very rarely goes as it was drawn up. It constantly requires on-field adjustments by the players. In essence, it's exactly the same as it is for soccer, but instead of a general sense of cohesion, it has to be done for every single play in the playbook.

    The place where someone is supposed to be is dictated by what the other team does, and that isn't drawn up before hand. So all contingencies need to be practiced for so that player can recognize all of the permutations and know where they need to be in a given situation.

    And that's for all three phases of the game. Offense, defense, and special teams where diferent players are present who have different tasks and in fact totally different goals, strategies and roles.

    Soccer can switch from offense to defense and back again to offense in a total of 2 seconds.

    However, unlike in gridiron football, where the kids play for seven seconds and play with themselves for 40 while the coach is communicating the next play in, real football plays with a running clock with only a break at halftime.
    That's precicley the reason why less practice is necessary for soccer.

    There is very little coaching that goes on while the match is going on. Players have to know through practice and experience where their teammates are going to be in any given fluid situation because it can't be drawn on a playbook, like in gridiron football. I am not denigrating the importance of practice in gridiron, but your comments about real football are way off base...
    And I'm not denigrating the importance of practice of soccer. I'mjust pointing out that there is more of a need for practice in football than there is in soccer.
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