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    Re: senate bill s510 makes it illegal to grow, share, trade or sell hoemgrown food.

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Tainted milk and baby forumula, anyone?
    answer my question anyone?

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    Re: senate bill s510 makes it illegal to grow, share, trade or sell hoemgrown food.

    Quote Originally Posted by R. Shackleferd View Post
    answer my question anyone?
    I did. I answered your question with another question. Now I believe in free markets, but I am not an anarchist. We do need some level of regulation to keep them honest.
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    Re: senate bill s510 makes it illegal to grow, share, trade or sell hoemgrown food.

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Show me exactly where, in the bill, it says that you can't grow your own food. LOL.

    My point is, that just because it isn't in the summary, doesn't mean it isn't in the bill. Your attempt to prove a negative was a predictable failure.

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    Re: senate bill s510 makes it illegal to grow, share, trade or sell hoemgrown food.

    Quote Originally Posted by R. Shackleferd View Post
    Absolutely. Environmentalist bloggers would rather Alex Jones their way through things or endorse an ever increasing nanny state.
    The point is, the blog has exactly zero credibility, and this is a nothing bill that ain't moving anywhere, and does not do what your OP claimed. You cannot spin this into anything but just that. It took almost, but not quite, 2 minutes to discover this was a complete nonstory.
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    Re: senate bill s510 makes it illegal to grow, share, trade or sell hoemgrown food.

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I did. I answered your question with another question. Now I believe in free markets, but I am not an anarchist. We do need some level of regulation to keep them honest.
    Contaminated food will occur in regulated markets just as much as it will in free markets. We see this in our regulated markets with, well, milk, baby formula, pet food.. Since fraud is a form of aggression and since businesses would like their customers to feel a sense of security the free market would be just as well equipped at setting standards. They would like to make records and do survalience of their shops, distribution centers and transportation and do other forms of quality control that exist today without Government intervention. If farms do not meat this quality and commerce standard, the store may not order more of their food if their customers feel that their food is contaminated. I mean how many self righteous product hounds are there that avoid "made in china" but end up buying "made in china" because our regulated markets and the state don't allow us to compete cost effectively or the ability for consumers to keep their wealth. If the Government regulates imports while it regulates domestic production what will we have left? Is the Government going to pass a healthy eating bill that requires it's citizens to buy a food subscription because all of the big food companies are too big to fail? If there was more unregulated domestic competition, would chinese baby formula and pet food be necessary? The state created this dependency on cheap foreign imports. Why should we trust the state to solve this problem with domestic regulations?

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    Re: senate bill s510 makes it illegal to grow, share, trade or sell hoemgrown food.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The point is, the blog has exactly zero credibility, and this is a nothing bill that ain't moving anywhere, and does not do what your OP claimed. You cannot spin this into anything but just that. It took almost, but not quite, 2 minutes to discover this was a complete nonstory.
    I don't think you understand my intent on posting a conspiracy link. The stagnance of the bill is irrelevant. If environmentalists and organic food hippies are to believe that the state is capable of such things said in the OP, then environmentalists shouldn't look to the state whenever some species of animal is dying or fighting on behalf of the obese to make them eat healthier.

    I would have posted an article from the hill regarding this but the forum rules require that my thread title be the same title as the source I choose. I know what happens to threads that have boring thread titles. Nobody posts in them. "Yawn, boring. *marks read*". As far as I can tell, the bill isn't stagnant. It still has legs. Senate Strikes Bipartisan Agreement on Food Safety

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    Re: senate bill s510 makes it illegal to grow, share, trade or sell hoemgrown food.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    My point is, that just because it isn't in the summary, doesn't mean it isn't in the bill. Your attempt to prove a negative was a predictable failure.

    oh, yeah...LOL
    I said prove it. You haven't.
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    Re: senate bill s510 makes it illegal to grow, share, trade or sell hoemgrown food.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The point is, the blog has exactly zero credibility, and this is a nothing bill that ain't moving anywhere, and does not do what your OP claimed. You cannot spin this into anything but just that. It took almost, but not quite, 2 minutes to discover this was a complete nonstory.
    The bill is real.
    It looks to me like it's just more regulations, more paper work, more government intervention to stifle the free market. If it passes costs will necessarily sky rocket. There's nothing I saw that exempts small farmers who sell at farmers markets etc. or those who sell/share with friends and family. Nanny state business as usual.
    What did we do before we had the FDA. Oh, I know. We made sure our food was good and safe because we needed repeat customers. The free market can't work without customers, competetion and a good product.
    I'm sure their are some good ideas in it. However, as with most the crap laws we pass, they wouldn't be necessary if we just ENFORCED the ones we already have.

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    Re: senate bill s510 makes it illegal to grow, share, trade or sell hoemgrown food.

    When I see the word "security" and "safety" in any bill, it gives me pause.

    Just because the bill doesn't specifically say that they're going to come out and shut down community gardens, doesn't mean that the wording of this law can't be twisted to accomplish just that. The corporate food industry has been actively trying to shut down community gardens in big cities for more than a decade now, and also place restrictions on home-grown food making it to public spaces.

    I can just see the corporate powers salivating over this one. The danger of food is coming from corporate agriculture, not community gardens that grow organic. No one has ever gotten listeria from eating a home grown tomato.

    The number of food inspections done by the government in the U.S. has dropped sharply from a decade ago. Why are regulators becoming more and more hesitant to enforce sanitation and testing laws on corporate agriculture?

    This is just another bill to give industry the license to come down on individuals.

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    Re: senate bill s510 makes it illegal to grow, share, trade or sell hoemgrown food.

    just read the summary
    does not appear to do what the OP indicated
    false alarm

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