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    Re: Russia to start Iran's 1st nuclear plant next week

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Nuclear material for a generator is only about 20% pure. For it to be useful for a nuclear weapon, it must be 95% pure.
    Iran is currently enriching material of their own. Since there are some sites Iran will not allow IAEA inspectors into ... I would say they are hiding the further enriched uranium there.

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    Re: Russia to start Iran's 1st nuclear plant next week

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    That's technically not true. An implosion device utilizing uranium can make a nuke out of 20% enriched. It just would require a larger then normal number of reflectors and a larger then normal explosive amount of shaped charges to compress the uranium into a critical mass. Sure it's bloody hard to make it, but North Korea managed to make implosion devices with plutonium and they have been in contact with Iran.
    Actually, you are incorrect. Weapons grade unranium is ANYHING enriched beyond 90%.

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    Re: Russia to start Iran's 1st nuclear plant next week

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Actually, you are incorrect. Weapons grade unranium is ANYHING enriched beyond 90%.
    It's 85% to be technically called WGU.

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    But with sufficent compression, 20% should be adequate. That's going to be a big bomb though to hold that many reflectors and shaped charges.

    Furthermore, I never gave a number on what percentage WGU is. So what are you referring to as "incorrect?"
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    Re: Russia to start Iran's 1st nuclear plant next week

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    It's 85% to be technically called WGU.

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    But with sufficent compression, 20% should be adequate. That's going to be a big bomb though to hold that many reflectors and shaped charges.

    Furthermore, I never gave a number on what percentage WGU is. So what are you referring to as "incorrect?"
    You are incorrect sir.

    A state selecting uranium for its weapons must obtain a supply of uranium ore and construct an enrichment plant because the U-235 content in natural uranium is over two orders of magnitude lower than that found in weapons grade uranium ( more than 90 percent U-235).
    Source: Federation of American Scientists :: Uranium Production

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    Re: Russia to start Iran's 1st nuclear plant next week

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    What will happen if Israel drops a bomb on them? Cause thats what looks like might happen
    Tehran alone has 17 million people. The nuclear energy will go a long way.
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    Re: Russia to start Iran's 1st nuclear plant next week

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Nuclear material for a generator is only about 20% pure. For it to be useful for a nuclear weapon, it must be 95% pure.
    And how do you do that?

    TEHRAN, Iran — Iran said Monday it will begin building a new site to enrich uranium by March, moving ahead with a plan that defies international efforts to curb its nuclear development.

    Uranium enrichment factories are used to create fuel for nuclear power plants but can also, if taken to extremes, produce the material for weapons.

    The planned plant is among 10 new sites that Iran approved last year in what would be a dramatic expansion of its controversial enrichment program. The announcement on state TV said the locations for the sites have been determined but gave no details.

    "Construction of a new uranium enrichment site will begin by the end of (the Iranian calendar) year (March 2011) or early next year," Salehi said.

    "The new enrichment facilities will be built inside mountains ... any of these sites will be capable of meeting the fuel needs of a nuclear power plant the size of the Bushehr facility," he told the TV, referring to the 1,000-megawatt power plant in southern Iran built with Russian help.
    The Associated Press: Iran official announces building of new nuke site

    Mohamed ElBaradei caps his contentious and ultimately failed 12-year stint as head of the International Atomic Energy Agency today, having spent many years enabling Iran's nuclear bids only to condemn them in his final days in office. Mr. ElBaradei combined his rebuke of Iran with his familiar calls for more negotiation, but we'll take his belated realism about Iran as his tacit admission that Dick Cheney and John Bolton have been right all along. Let's hope the education of the Obama Administration doesn't take as long.

    As if to underscore the point, yesterday the Iranian government ordered up 10 additional uranium enrichment plants on the scale of its already operational facility in Natanz, which has a planned capacity of 54,000 centrifuges. That could mean an eventual total of more than 500,000 centrifuges, or enough to enrich about 160 bombs worth of uranium each year. Whether it can ever do that is an open question, but it does give a sense of the scale of the regime's ambitions.
    Iran, the Bomb and Mohamed ElBaradei - WSJ.com

    160 nukes a year.......... think about that.
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    Re: Russia to start Iran's 1st nuclear plant next week

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    That's technically not true. An implosion device utilizing uranium can make a nuke out of 20% enriched. It just would require a larger then normal number of reflectors and a larger then normal explosive amount of shaped charges to compress the uranium into a critical mass. Sure it's bloody hard to make it, but North Korea managed to make implosion devices with plutonium and they have been in contact with Iran.
    That's something I wasn't aware of.... got any links?
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    Re: Russia to start Iran's 1st nuclear plant next week

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    You are incorrect sir.
    About what?

    A state selecting uranium for its weapons must obtain a supply of uranium ore and construct an enrichment plant because the U-235 content in natural uranium is over two orders of magnitude lower than that found in weapons grade uranium ( more than 90 percent U-235).
    Source: Federation of American Scientists :: Uranium Production
    Which doesn't address my point. Is it easier to make a device with WGU or WGP? Absolutely. But that does not mean that lower enriched Uranium or Plutonium cannot be used as a critical mass. Nothing in your link refutes the use of larger then normal implosion devices to utilize low enriched uranium or Plutonium to make a nuke.

    Look up how an implosion device works and you'll understand why I'm right.
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    Re: Russia to start Iran's 1st nuclear plant next week

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    That's something I wasn't aware of.... got any links?
    Do you understand how an implosion device works? I don't think it's possible to make a gun type work with 20% uranium.

    I'm not saying this is easy. In fact, it's going to be astronomically difficult to take 20% enriched Uranium/Plutonium and compress it perfectly into a critical mass. The amount of 20% will have to be several magnitudes over normal amount of WG material. But with sufficient amounts of shaped charges and sufficient amount of reflectors, it can be done. The reason no one does it is because it is far, far, far, far, far easier just to get less WG uranium and build a gun type. Read Allison Graham, he recited an event where US engineers went down to their local Radio Shack and built a gun type device and showed it to Congress as to why we need better safeguards.
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    Re: Russia to start Iran's 1st nuclear plant next week

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Do you understand how an implosion device works? I don't think it's possible to make a gun type work with 20% uranium.
    Yes.

    I'm not saying this is easy. In fact, it's going to be astronomically difficult to take 20% enriched Uranium/Plutonium and compress it perfectly into a critical mass. The amount of 20% will have to be several magnitudes over normal amount of WG material. But with sufficient amounts of shaped charges and sufficient amount of reflectors, it can be done. The reason no one does it is because it is far, far, far, far, far easier just to get less WG uranium and build a gun type. Read Allison Graham, he recited an event where US engineers went down to their local Radio Shack and built a gun type device and showed it to Congress as to why we need better safeguards.
    Anyone with ˝ a brain can build a crude gun type device in a 2 story house..... if they have access to WGU or PU, and say 40 or 50 people that want to meet their maker right quick.

    I still have never heard of a successful implosion device that would work with 20%.... as far as I know it isn't even theoretically possible to compress the pit enough to allow the rapid disassembly of the device to become self sustaining.
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    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
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