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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    unless dusk is after 9:30...

    Seriously, all good examples. Citizens do not have an absolute right to access government-owned property.
    When there is a safety concern for others (thereby infringing on their right to life). The only time your rights should be infringed upon is when you are infringing on another's. aA group of 20-30 people protesting on a public university does not infringe on other's rights. These people should be protected by the constitution.

    Walking into a high school when no one knows who you are is a safety risk for the students. You have no reason to be there, and are significantly more likely to cause harm.

    Being kicked off of a public beach at dusk is arguable. I assume the law is there to protect your own safety. I am staunchly against this. An individual cannot infringe on their own rights--it's not possible. This is the reason I would NEVER agree to this law or similar laws designed to protect your own safety (seatbelt laws, etc.)

    If you are causing a disturbance in city hall you may be infringing on the due process of the law and therefor the rights of the people to create law protecting their rights. This is different as well.

    A military base is a safety concern. You are infringing on the rights of U.S. citizens by learning sensitive material which you could distribute causing loss of innocent life.

    Sure they may be public property, but I never argued you could infringe on another's rights on public property, something John Bush, no matter how big of an asshole he was, wasn't doing when he was removed.

    If nothing else, this shows how our rights are being stripped away, something John Locke argued would happen under a government.

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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    The right of a student to cross campus without having to wade through some unruly mob trumps your right to just start a rally on private property anytime you want.
    That right does not exist. What does exist is the right to association, assembly, and protest.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    You mean like child porn?
    Harms children therefor it's a violation of the non-aggression principle.

    Or imminent lawless action?
    What like pre-crime?

    Or libel/slander?

    Defamation?
    Damaging a persons reputation can cause harm to that persons financial concerns, if they can prove damages then it is a violation of the non-aggression principle.

    The Miller Test?
    Anti-obscenity legilslation is ridiculous.

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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The funny or sad thing about "free speech zones" is that a lot of colleges are adopting the idea for on campus speech.

    Messed up world we have evolved into.
    Not evolved into, more like regulated ourselves into.

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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    [modified by bubba] Not evolved into, more like DEregulated ourselves into.
    there. fixed that for you
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by Rightwingnutjob View Post
    When there is a safety concern for others (thereby infringing on their right to life). The only time your rights should be infringed upon is when you are infringing on another's. aA group of 20-30 people protesting on a public university does not infringe on other's rights. These people should be protected by the constitution.
    Hell yes it does -- you're taking the whole thing out of context and painting a rosy picture.

    If I'm sitting in a lecture hall on a hot day and I can hear a bunch of meatheads outside, screaming about dolphins or some country I've never heard of, my friggin' rights are being violated. Or if I have to wade through a crowd of yahoos dressed like dead babies...

    The university has to be able to conduct business in a reasonable manner. Free speech zone. Follow the rules or get off campus.

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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Hell yes it does -- you're taking the whole thing out of context and painting a rosy picture.

    If I'm sitting in a lecture hall on a hot day and I can hear a bunch of meatheads outside, screaming about dolphins or some country I've never heard of, my friggin' rights are being violated. Or if I have to wade through a crowd of yahoos dressed like dead babies...

    The university has to be able to conduct business in a reasonable manner. Free speech zone. Follow the rules or get off campus.
    Let me guess, you didn't actually watch the video? The people protesting weren't clogging walkways and were not that loud. There was not need to wade through a crowd and there were no lecture halls in the immediate vicinity... oops, guess YOU took it out of context.
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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by Rightwingnutjob View Post
    Let me guess, you didn't actually watch the video? The people protesting weren't clogging walkways and were not that loud. There was not need to wade through a crowd and there were no lecture halls in the immediate vicinity... oops, guess YOU took it out of context.
    Heh, I see you've met hazlnut...

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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by Rightwingnutjob View Post
    Let me guess, you didn't actually watch the video? The people protesting weren't clogging walkways and were not that loud. There was not need to wade through a crowd and there were no lecture halls in the immediate vicinity... oops, guess YOU took it out of context.
    Im really done with this thread...but the video posted here is the one taken out of context. The actual video of the event was much longer. Jebbie didnt retreat to that nice quiet area til after the police responded. Prior to that the group was in the sidewalk confronting people who left a speech given I believe by Pres Obama.

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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Im really done with this thread...but the video posted here is the one taken out of context. The actual video of the event was much longer. Jebbie didnt retreat to that nice quiet area til after the police responded. Prior to that the group was in the sidewalk confronting people who left a speech given I believe by Pres Obama.
    Alright nice chatting. People were coming up to him, not the other way around. He was walking up and down the sidewalk.
    Let me save you the trouble of typing out the usual assumptions. I lean right therefore:
    I am an anti-gay bigot.
    I hate Mexicans, Blacks and any other foreigner.
    I'm unintelligent and illogical.

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