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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by prrriiide View Post
    If you really want to boil it down, we only need one right: to do whatever you please.
    Um no because if we did whatever we please it wouldn't be good for other people.

    The converse of that is that we only need one law: you must accept any and all consequences for your actions.
    The two things would be a contradiction in terms.

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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    ummm...thats two laws...(well..three actually)...
    Ones a law, ones a right, and ones just a basic code determining penalties/punishments for violating that one law which would form naturally over time in the private arbitration courts.

    and all of that presupposes that everyone is willing to follow those very basic and simple laws. How you seein that working out?
    Pretty well actually, that's what the private security firms are for.

    and someone 'owns' you?
    Yes. Today every man and woman on planet earth is a slave of the state.

    Who 'owns' public land?
    It should be the public but it is in fact the state.

    And what IS public land after all?
    Today it is state owned land rather than community owned land.

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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by Rightwingnutjob View Post
    Oh please, give me a break.
    I'm trying to get a handle on which limitation on free speech you think are examples of SCOTUS overreaching...

    Want to answer?

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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    What people are not understanding is that 'Free Speech Zones' are a compromise. Private and public entities have to be able to conduct their daily business in a reasonable and safe manner. It's a very reasonable compromise, allowing those who wish to exercise their right to free assemble a place to do it without trampling the rights of others.

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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    It doesn't matter what he is. As long as tax dollars are partially funding the school, it falls under the protection of the Constitution and anyone can go on campus as long as they are not threatening the safety of the people there.
    Not true. Public universities can and do regulate access to the campus and campus facilities. Just because something receives public funds doesn't mean that there is universal access. Imagine saying this about a military base. Hey officer, this is publicly funded... I have a right to protest against the behavior of your troops in Iraq... I wonder how far you would get with that?
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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by Rightwingnutjob View Post
    I've never heard of trespassing on public property :^/
    Ever tried to freely enter a military base? Public property.
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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by Rightwingnutjob View Post
    I've never heard of trespassing on public property :^/
    EXAMPLE 1:
    If you walk onto PUBLIC SCHOOL property during school hours and you don't have a student enrolled there and you're not a teacher.... You are trespassing.


    EXAMPLE 2:
    the sing reads: 'Beach Closes at Dusk' and you're there at 9:30pm -- you are trespassing.

    EXAMPLE 3:
    The police ask you to leave city hall because you were causing a disturbance. You refuse. You are trespassing.

    EXAMPLE 4:
    Where you're asked to leave (with a valid reason) any public space and refuse -- you are trespassing.

    Now, you can say you've heard of 'trespassing on public property'

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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Not true. Public universities can and do regulate access to the campus and campus facilities. Just because something receives public funds doesn't mean that there is universal access. Imagine saying this about a military base. Hey officer, this is publicly funded... I have a right to protest against the behavior of your troops in Iraq... I wonder how far you would get with that?
    A millitary base has a legitimate national security concern.

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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    EXAMPLE 1:
    If you walk onto PUBLIC SCHOOL property during school hours and you don't have a student enrolled there and you're not a teacher.... You are trespassing.


    EXAMPLE 2:
    the sing reads: 'Beach Closes at Dusk' and you're there at 9:30pm -- you are trespassing.

    EXAMPLE 3:
    The police ask you to leave city hall because you were causing a disturbance. You refuse. You are trespassing.

    EXAMPLE 4:
    Where you're asked to leave (with a valid reason) any public space and refuse -- you are trespassing.

    Now, you can say you've heard of 'trespassing on public property'
    unless dusk is after 9:30...

    Seriously, all good examples. Citizens do not have an absolute right to access government-owned property.
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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    I'm trying to get a handle on which limitation on free speech you think are examples of SCOTUS overreaching...

    Want to answer?
    I didn't specify free speech, I said the constitution in general. You know damn well suggesting that someone supports child pornography is insulting and offensive. I won't respond to that type of baiting.

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