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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    We only need one law actually (well a system of tort law as well) and that law would be the non-aggression principle, and we only need one right, the right to self ownership.
    If you really want to boil it down, we only need one right: to do whatever you please.

    The converse of that is that we only need one law: you must accept any and all consequences for your actions.

    But I'm no anarchist, so I won't advocate that.
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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by prrriiide View Post
    Laugh away, even though you are absolutely correct according to black-letter law in the State of Texas:



    Texas Statutes

    Also note the effective date of the law: 9/1/1971 - it has nothing to do with free speech zones. It's the law in Texas (and has been for 2 generations) that if the governing board (or their representative - in this case, UTPD) asks you to leave, you have to leave. Period. I know of no jurisdiction in the country that would consider a political protest for which no permit has been issued to be "legitimate business."

    It doesn't matter if you are praying to Thor in the middle of a grassy area with no one else around you. It doesn't matter if you are "exercising your right to free speech." It doesn't matter if you are there gathering information as a journalist. If they ask you to leave and you refuse, you are subject to arrest and prosecution under Title 3, Ch. 51. If you feel that your removal was a violation of your rights, then your recourse is to pursue the matter in civil court. However, as Plaintiff, the burden of proof is on you, not the University as Respondent. The burden of proof in such a case would be a pretty high bar to clear.
    Thanks for the info, I wasn't able to turn any of this up in my brief search. I certainly don't agree with the law here, thankfully I'm not in Texas (I wonder if there is a simillar statute here).

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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by Rightwingnutjob View Post
    Thanks for the info, I wasn't able to turn any of this up in my brief search. I certainly don't agree with the law here, thankfully I'm not in Texas (I wonder if there is a simillar statute here).
    Since I don't know where "here" is, I'll let you look...

    findlaw.com
    Cornell University Legal Information Institute
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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I have to agree. Free speech zones shouldn't be allowed to exist. I shouldn't have to stand in a pen to voice dissent.
    They don't, really.

    You're free to write an Op-Ed or send out a mailer.

    You're free to speak on your own property anytime you like.

    But private property and public space raises issues of public safety etc. It's not unreasonable to allow cities to control crowds and demonstrations -- to prevent damage to property or injury to individuals.

    The right of a student to cross campus without having to wade through some unruly mob trumps your right to just start a rally on private property anytime you want.

    The University has to be able to conduct business and keep students safe.

    There is a good amount of case law on this, SCOTUS is not on your side.
    Last edited by hazlnut; 08-18-10 at 04:17 PM.

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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    The SCOTUS also has a habbit of using the their power to spin the Constitution in a way that may not have originally been intended.
    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    They don't, really.

    You're free to write an Op-Ed or send out a mailer.

    You're free to speak on your own property anytime you like.

    But private property and public space raises issues of public safety etc. It's not unreasonable to allow cities to control crowds and demonstrations -- to prevent damage to property or injury to individuals.

    The right of a student to cross campus without having to wade through some unruly mob trumps your right to just start a rally on private property anytime you want.

    The University has to be able to conduct business and keep students safe.

    There is a good amount of case law on this, SCOTUS is not on your side.

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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by Rightwingnutjob View Post
    The SCOTUS also has a habbit of using the their power to spin the Constitution in a way that may not have originally been intended.
    You mean like child porn?

    Or imminent lawless action?

    Or libel/slander?

    Defamation?

    The Miller Test?

    Which one(s) do you have a problem with?

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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Anyone who thinks that they have free reign on government property is bound to get a reality check from the cops.
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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Anyone who thinks that they have free reign on government property is bound to get a reality check from the cops.
    Thinking they do and they have a right to is completely different. Think they have a right to free speech and peaceful assembly on government property is quite different as well.

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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    You mean like child porn?

    Or imminent lawless action?

    Or libel/slander?

    Defamation?

    The Miller Test?

    Which one(s) do you have a problem with?
    Oh please, give me a break.

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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by Rightwingnutjob View Post
    Thinking they do and they have a right to is completely different. Think they have a right to free speech and peaceful assembly on government property is quite different as well.
    And as shown beofre, you can't have free reign on government property. Government property and open property aren't always one and the same for all intents and purposes.
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