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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by Rightwingnutjob View Post
    Not sure why you care or why you even think you should be involved in this discussion. I'm not going to cater to your haughty request either. I'll say that if he finds he doesn't identify with libertarians at libertarian gatherings repeatedly and doesn't support the 1st ammendment on all public property then he probably doesn't identify with libertarians that much.

    Take your baiting elsewhere, and let Vance speak for himself.
    no baiting
    you posted as if you could divine whether someone was libertarian-worthy; to use that term as a self-identifier of political lean
    clearly you are unable to identify what barometers of political opinion one must possess to classify oneself as a libertarian ... instead insisting anyone with an opinion different from your own is thus ineligible to share the libertarian identifier

    and you should recognize this is a public forum. if you do not want outside opinions on these posted topics, you may want to instead communicate your debate via PM
    otherwise you can look forward to my posts where i will attempt to disabuse you of your consistently ignorant notions
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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Section 8 Housing is a voucher program, the state gives subsidies to the individual and the individual uses these subsidies to purchase privately owned apartment complexes or houses. The apartments and houses are still privately leased or owned by the individual albeit through the aid of government subsidy; whereas, there is no private ownership of public universities to speak of.
    then you would have us believe, that within those government-owned public housing complexes, we should be free to meander in and out of them at will, since they are publicly owned
    or maybe the publicly owned military installations ... try conducting your own business there without following the administrative regulations imposed. i would be especially delighted to hear of your experience doing that at the delta force facility at fort bragg
    no doubt you could walk into any public high school campus unannounced, uninvited, and without following the visitor protocol and engage in your soap box activities without being subject to arrest [/sarcasm]
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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    no baiting
    you posted as if you could divine whether someone was libertarian-worthy; to use that term as a self-identifier of political lean
    clearly you are unable to identify what barometers of political opinion one must possess to classify oneself as a libertarian ... instead insisting anyone with an opinion different from your own is thus ineligible to share the libertarian identifier

    and you should recognize this is a public forum. if you do not want outside opinions on these posted topics, you may want to instead communicate your debate via PM
    otherwise you can look forward to my posts where i will attempt to disabuse you of your consistently ignorant notions
    I didn't 'divine' (define, right?) anything. He, himself, stated that he was at odds with libertarians fairly often. If he disagrees with the vast majority of libertarians consistently, why would he believe he is (or want to be) a libertarian?

    Further, I said nothing about his worthiness as a libertarian. This is your own "ignorant notion" that I would like to "disabuse" you of.

    I have not said anyone with a different opinion is ineligible to share the political identifier, either.

    Clearly I'm not trying to act as a barometer for the libertarian party and their beliefs.

    My consistently ignorant notions... hm. Perhaps we should move on to your consistently ungrounded notions with regards to what I have and have not stated.

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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    then you would have us believe, that within those government-owned public housing complexes, we should be free to meander in and out of them at will, since they are publicly owned
    All public housing in the U.S. comes in the form of government subsidization for the purchase or lease of private homes and/or apartments.

    or maybe the publicly owned military installations ... try conducting your own business there without following the administrative regulations imposed. i would be especially delighted to hear of your experience doing that at the delta force facility at fort bragg
    I don't believe in a public military, I think security and defense should be privatized. But obviously under the current system security concerns exist for military installations that do not for public universities.

    no doubt you could walk into any public high school campus unannounced, uninvited, and without following the visitor protocol and engage in your soap box activities without being subject to arrest [/sarcasm]
    Yes you would be arrested but again I don't believe in public schools either, but since they are public they should be open to the public to use the facilities; such as, gyms and basketball courts etc. And if they aren't disrupting classes then I see no problem whatsoever, with political speech on highschool campuses.
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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    But my money is used.
    But the property itself is privately owned.

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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by Rightwingnutjob View Post
    The thing is if you don't share those beliefs doesn't that put you outside the libertarian party? Maybe you're just a 'moderate' libertarian :P
    That might be the nicest thing anyone has ever said about me. I am a thinking person not bound to some narrow minded ideological perspective...not a party politik muppet. Geez doood...thank you!!! I mean that!

    Like I said...before 'real' liberatarians run around chest bumpin, 'real' libertarians might want to grab a mirror when it comes to the reason why the libertarian party lacks relevance. And you also might want to consider just how much that makes you like the party bound ideologues from both the republican and democrat party.

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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    ok, you tell us what every self-identified libertarian is supposed to believe ... and why
    this needs to be comprehensive, so that we can be informed about the official libertarian position on every potential issue
    also, let us know your source of these official positions
    ready, set, go ...
    Why...dont you know...its the same "if you arent wit us yer agin us' mentality displayed by EVERY party group. Independent thought frightens the **** out of them. They must be UNITED in their differences (which makes them the same as the rest).

    I didnt fit with the republican party...I left it because of their lack of fiscal responsibility among other things. And even though i am very liberal in some areas I simply wouldnt fit at ALL with the democrats. The core of my political beliefs are based on the constitution. Individual rights first, then state, then federal. The role of the fed should be limited to the constitution. the role of the state should be dictated by the people. PEOPLE should be responsible for their involvement in local and state politics. At the end of the day, though...we are a nation of law and order and if you dont follow the laws, then you face consequences.

    'Real' libertarians like to pretend they have a right to do anything that doesnt harm others. Great...Im cool with that...as a philosophy. Now...drive 105 mph on a highway and see if you dont get a ticket. yell fire in a theatre or announce you have a bomb on an airplane. The CONCEPT is great...but the reality is the concept comes with responsibility.

    Heres the really sad part...I dont GIVE a **** abbout what 'real' libertarians think. The last thing I EVER want to be is some mindless muppet parroting unthinking ideology and presenting themselves as an assclown on a daily basis. God knows we have enough 'agents' running around doing that.

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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    That might be the nicest thing anyone has ever said about me. I am a thinking person not bound to some narrow minded ideological perspective...not a party politik muppet. Geez doood...thank you!!! I mean that!

    Like I said...before 'real' liberatarians run around chest bumpin, 'real' libertarians might want to grab a mirror when it comes to the reason why the libertarian party lacks relevance. And you also might want to consider just how much that makes you like the party bound ideologues from both the republican and democrat party.
    I don't really think I'm a 100% bound to any platform, but feel I identify most with the libertarian party. My beliefs are simple and can be summed up as follows: Everyone should have the right to do whatever the hell they want so long as they don't infringe on another's life, liberty or property. Sure there's details that define certain words in the phrase, but that's the best summary I can give.

    I didn't mean it to be an insult when I said said maybe you didn't identify with the libertarian party that much and maybe you were a moderate libertarian. Sorry if that was misunderstood. Certainly seemed to whistle through Bubba's ears, anyway.

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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by Rightwingnutjob View Post
    I didn't 'divine' (define, right?) anything.
    go to dictionary.com and look it up:
    DIVINE ... 15. to perceive by intuition or insight; conjecture.
    He, himself, stated that he was at odds with libertarians fairly often. If he disagrees with the vast majority of libertarians consistently, why would he believe he is (or want to be) a libertarian?
    to make that statement, one can only conclude that you believe all political affiliations require monolithic belief; that all adherents think in rigid unison, that there is no room for one to identify with a particular political flavor without subscribing to all things that party advocates. yes, that ignorant notion
    Further, I said nothing about his worthiness as a libertarian. This is your own "ignorant notion" that I would like to "disabuse" you of.
    and yet you questioned why he would hold that out as his political identifier. you confuse my "observation" with your "ignorant notion"
    I have not said anyone with a different opinion is ineligible to share the political identifier, either.
    yet you challenge one who does use that political label while also being "at odds with libertarians fairly often"
    Clearly I'm not trying to act as a barometer for the libertarian party and their beliefs.
    no way one would think that since you only questioned why a forum member would indicate they possess a libertarian political lean after being "at odds with libertarians fairly often" [/sarcasm]
    My consistently ignorant notions... hm. Perhaps we should move on to your consistently ungrounded notions with regards to what I have and have not stated.
    as you can see above, i have used your own words to hi-lite why i came to conclude your insistence that one cannot legitimately identify himself as having a libertarian political lean while they are "at odds with libertarians fairly often" should be found to be an ignorant notion
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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    'Real' libertarians like to pretend they have a right to do anything that doesnt harm others. Great...Im cool with that...as a philosophy. Now...drive 105 mph on a highway and see if you dont get a ticket. yell fire in a theatre or announce you have a bomb on an airplane. The CONCEPT is great...but the reality is the concept comes with responsibility.
    See this is where my, "infringes on another's life, liberty, or property," clause comes in.

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