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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Some cops are douchebags; not all are.
    The last time I checked, it's the university's, public or not, property.
    The last time I check it is funded primarily through the stolen capital of individuals, are you going to assert that the state has the right to steal from the individual to pay for a University and then ban that same individual from expressing his first amendment rights on that very same university which he payed for? If it was private you would have a point, but it's public so you don't.

    No, he recognizes that you can't just trespass on property and be an ass there. I can't stand in the middle of the street and do this.
    That's because it's a safety concern, sidewalks are a different story.

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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I call myself a libertarian...and a realist...not an asshole that thinks somehow the constitution gives you carte blanche to not follow the laws.
    Laws which violate the 1st amendment should be violated every step of the way.

    Oh...I work with LOTS of cops...they are just people. Some have the kind of mentality that you moronically ascribe to ALL. But most? Nah...good men and women. And they have to tolerate dickheads like that moron on a regular basis. And like those that were in this video, most of those cops do it with class.

    So...consider the alternative. No cops. No laws.
    That's a false dichotomy. A) Cops don't write the laws and B) public police forces are not needed to enforce the laws.


    How you liking that? Seriously...think about that for a second. Great concept providing everyone treats people with dignity and respect. Of course...THAT happens ALL THE TIME...right? See...that kind of stupid mindless comment you made is WHY Libertarians have preciseluy ZERO representation in government. Oh...but MY mindset makes Libertarians look bad. Riiiiiight.
    I don't know what your mindset is, but it certainly isn't libertarian.

    Every day you are proving yourself more and more to be the dumbass people have told me you are. No wonder you routinely get bitch slapped in the basement. You are every bit a mindless ideologue. Hell...at least the democrat and republican ideologues have SOMETHING to hang their hat on...you have nothing but empty headed rhetoric.
    Meh meh. I just love the statists posing as Libertarians.

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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Vance, I would say you are further from libertarian than you think. You may posess a few believes (fiscal conservative and some certain liberal social beliefs) but you don't ring, 'libertarian' to me. You're right to say whatever you want about your lean though, I suppose.

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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by Rightwingnutjob View Post
    Vance, I would say you are further from libertarian than you think. You may posess a few believes (fiscal conservative and some certain liberal social beliefs) but you don't ring, 'libertarian' to me. You're right to say whatever you want about your lean though, I suppose.
    Oh its fine...Ive been to liberatarian party meetings...platform planning meetings. I get the same response when I recommend they drop the idiotic platform proposals that ensure the libertarians are and will always be a joke as a party.

    In order for anyone to have a say in the game you have to have a seat at the table. Libertarians dont...and never will. Might want to consider what exactly those values are and positions are that ensure they remain a laughing stock on the ploitical scale. Or not I suppose. No one says you HAVE to actually have a single elected representative. Its telling though that the Tea Party as a relative new movement has greater pwer and sway than the Libertarian 'party'...dont you think?

    The constitution provides for freedoms but doesnt excuse disobedience to state and federal law. If the party wants relevance they will stick to the themes that are by and large commonly accepted by MOST Americans. Smaller more responsible federal government. The role of the fed in both government and individual lives limited to those enumerated in the constitution. Strong individual and states rights.

    Id rather not be one of those libertarians that embody the saying "being a libertarian is like pissing your pants ina dark suit. It gives you a warm feeling for a while, no one really notices, and eventually you just end up cold, wet, and stinky."

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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    The last time I check it is funded primarily through the stolen capital of individuals, are you going to assert that the state has the right to steal from the individual to pay for a University and then ban that same individual from expressing his first amendment rights on that very same university which he payed for? If it was private you would have a point, but it's public so you don't.


    That's because it's a safety concern, sidewalks are a different story.
    Public universities are a whole other issue, but your tax dollars don't make it yours. Again, I can't just mozy into someone's Section 8 housing.
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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Oh its fine...Ive been to liberatarian party meetings...platform planning meetings. I get the same response when I recommend they drop the idiotic platform proposals that ensure the libertarians are and will always be a joke as a party.

    In order for anyone to have a say in the game you have to have a seat at the table. Libertarians dont...and never will. Might want to consider what exactly those values are and positions are that ensure they remain a laughing stock on the ploitical scale. Or not I suppose. No one says you HAVE to actually have a single elected representative. Its telling though that the Tea Party as a relative new movement has greater pwer and sway than the Libertarian 'party'...dont you think?

    The constitution provides for freedoms but doesnt excuse disobedience to state and federal law. If the party wants relevance they will stick to the themes that are by and large commonly accepted by MOST Americans. Smaller more responsible federal government. The role of the fed in both government and individual lives limited to those enumerated in the constitution. Strong individual and states rights.

    Id rather not be one of those libertarians that embody the saying "being a libertarian is like pissing your pants ina dark suit. It gives you a warm feeling for a while, no one really notices, and eventually you just end up cold, wet, and stinky."
    The thing is if you don't share those beliefs doesn't that put you outside the libertarian party? Maybe you're just a 'moderate' libertarian :P

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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by Rightwingnutjob View Post
    The thing is if you don't share those beliefs doesn't that put you outside the libertarian party? Maybe you're just a 'moderate' libertarian :P
    ok, you tell us what every self-identified libertarian is supposed to believe ... and why
    this needs to be comprehensive, so that we can be informed about the official libertarian position on every potential issue
    also, let us know your source of these official positions
    ready, set, go ...
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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    ok, you tell us what every self-identified libertarian is supposed to believe ... and why
    this needs to be comprehensive, so that we can be informed about the official libertarian position on every potential issue
    also, let us know your source of these official positions
    ready, set, go ...
    Not sure why you care or why you even think you should be involved in this discussion. I'm not going to cater to your haughty request either. I'll say that if he finds he doesn't identify with libertarians at libertarian gatherings repeatedly and doesn't support the 1st ammendment on all public property then he probably doesn't identify with libertarians that much.

    Take your baiting elsewhere, and let Vance speak for himself.

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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Public universities are a whole other issue, but your tax dollars don't make it yours. Again, I can't just mozy into someone's Section 8 housing.
    Section 8 Housing is a voucher program, the state gives subsidies to the individual and the individual uses these subsidies to purchase privately owned apartment complexes or houses. The apartments and houses are still privately leased or owned by the individual albeit through the aid of government subsidy; whereas, there is no private ownership of public universities to speak of.

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    Re: John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Section 8 Housing is a voucher program, the state gives subsidies to the individual and the individual uses these subsidies to purchase privately owned apartment complexes or houses. The apartments and houses are still privately leased or owned by the individual albeit through the aid of government subsidy; whereas, there is no private ownership of public universities to speak of.
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