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GOP plan to extend tax cuts for rich adds $36 billion

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pbrauer said:
So you want to extend at the Bush tax cuts which are not paid for, but when it comes to helping small business which by your own admission is responsible for 80% of the jobs in this country, you say no way Jose? That's just too funny for words.
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This is a waste of time, you don't pay for tax cuts, that is the people's money first. Show me a line item on the Federal Balance sheet showing tax cuts and then you will have some credibility. What the govt. wants to do is redistribute tax revenue with most of the money going to community banks in hopes they lend the money and lend it to whom? Most of those so called rich people that you hate are small business owners that are going to see their business expenses rise so why would they borrow money in that environment?
 
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Conservative said:
This is a waste of time, you don't pay for tax cuts, that is the people's money first. Show me a line item on the Federal Balance sheet showing tax cuts and then you will have some credibility. What the govt. wants to do is redistribute tax revenue with most of the money going to community banks in hopes they lend the money and lend it to whom? Most of those so called rich people that you hate are small business owners that are going to see their business expenses rise so why would they borrow money in that environment?
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You are correct, this is a waste time, because YOU continue to misrepresent the bill. The is about lending money to community banks and giving tax breaks to small breaks. The truth of the matter is the GOP doesn't want President Obama to succeed and they don't give a **** for small business. The are for BIG business because that's where the BIG political donations come from.


BTW, this is one example you previously as for whe the republicans blocked with a filibuster threat. The Senate vote was 58 to 41 plus Sen. Reid.
 
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pbrauer said:
You are correct, this is a waste time, because YOU continue to misrepresent the bill. The is about lending money to community banks and giving tax breaks to small breaks. The truth of the matter is the GOP doesn't want President Obama to succeed and they don't give a **** for small business. The are for BIG business because that's where the BIG political donations come from.


BTW, this is one example you previously as for whe the republicans blocked with a filibuster threat. The Senate vote was 58 to 41 plus Sen. Reid.
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Please name for me one economic prediction made by the Obama Administration that has been accurate?

As for the vote, if you cannot get Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins, there is something wrong with the bill but keep diverting from the disaster that Obama is. You bought the BS and the results are making you look foolish since you cannot admit it.
 
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Conservative said:
Please name for me one economic prediction made by the Obama Administration that has been accurate?

As for the vote, if you cannot get Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins, there is something wrong with the bill but keep diverting from the disaster that Obama is. You bought the BS and the results are making you look foolish since you cannot admit it.
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When you can't win an argument, you make it personal. :2wave:
 
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pbrauer said:
When you can't win an argument, you make it personal. :2wave:
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When you cannot answer a question or get backed into a corner that is always the charge you make. Your silence on answering the question is actually the right answer. There hasn't been one economic prediction that the Obama Administration has made that has turned out accurate and yet you continue to buy the rhetoric. Now your focus is on another jobs' bill. I thought that was what the stimulus and financial bailout packages were for. 3 trillion have been added to the debt but that isn't enough and since no predictions have been accurate I don't buy the Obama claims.
 
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Conservative said:
Why would your grandchildren have to pay for your keeping MORE OF WHAT YOU EARN? You seem to confuse your income with what the govt. spends.
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he believes all money belongs to the government so a tax cut is "government spending"

its idiotic but lots of the left on this board believe that nonsense
 
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donc said:
If we extend the tax cuts for the top 1% someone will have to pay for new yachts for the trust fund babies.:2wave:
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what idiotic class envy psychobabble. the top 1% is around 350K cut off. ie lawyers, doctors, accountants, small business owners make up a large amount of the top 1%

your posts ooze envy
 
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pbrauer said:
So you want to extend at the Bush tax cuts which are not paid for, but when it comes to helping small business which by your own admission is responsible for 80% of the jobs in this country, you say no way Jose? That's just too funny for words.
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tax cuts don't need to be paid for

government spending does
 
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Conservative said:
Please name for me one economic prediction made by the Obama Administration that has been accurate?
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The Obama administration was not going to be able to pass a $1.2- $1.7 trillion dollar stimulus; a number sufficient to close the output gap. Had the stimulus been sufficient, you would be singing another tune in the form of "crowding out" and "steep long term yield curve".
 
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TurtleDude said:
tax cuts don't need to be paid for

government spending does
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The small business legislation which is being blocked by the Gee Oh Pee contains tax cuts for small business as well as loans through community banks.
 
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pbrauer said:
The small business legislation which is being blocked by the Gee Oh Pee contains tax cuts for small business as well as loans through community banks.
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does it maintain the tax fairness provisions implemented by Bush?
 
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Goldenboy219 said:
The Obama administration was not going to be able to pass a $1.2- $1.7 trillion dollar stimulus; a number sufficient to close the output gap. Had the stimulus been sufficient, you would be singing another tune in the form of "crowding out" and "steep long term yield curve".
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862 billion would have been enough if structured properly. As I asked name for me one economic prediction of the Obama Administration that has been accurate?
 
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pbrauer said:
The small business legislation which is being blocked by the Gee Oh Pee contains tax cuts for small business as well as loans through community banks.
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You continue to buy what the Obama Administration tells you. What tax cuts? Figure out what is in that bill and then get back to us. Still waiting for you to tell us what Obama Administration economic prediction has been right?
 
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TurtleDude said:
does it maintain the tax fairness provisions implemented by Bush?
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That's separate. The taxes for the richest of Americans was more than fair BEFORE the Bush tax cuts.
 
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pbrauer said:
That's separate. The taxes for the richest of Americans was more than fair BEFORE the Bush tax cuts.
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spoken like someone who isn't paying that level of taxation

fair is paying for what you use

that is the most sensible definition

fair was when we didn't have an income tax

why should you keep more of your next dollar than me? I already pay far more t han I use and I get nothing in return for paying more taxes

you need to stop whining and work harder rather than demand other people pay for part of the government services you use

until then you will keep voting for people who promise you more and more government goodies paid for by others
 
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TurtleDude said:
spoken like someone who isn't paying that level of taxation

fair is paying for what you use

that is the most sensible definition

fair was when we didn't have an income tax

why should you keep more of your next dollar than me? I already pay far more t han I use and I get nothing in return for paying more taxes

you need to stop whining and work harder rather than demand other people pay for part of the government services you use

until then you will keep voting for people who promise you more and more government goodies paid for by others
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I think that because of Bush's war, which I guess you supported.
 
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pbrauer said:
I think that because of Bush's war, which I guess you supported.
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wrong-I was ambivalent about it

but I'd be happy to pay for the war if you libs paid for all the idiotic entitlement nonsense that was foisted on us starting with FDR's new deal.

waging war is a proper function of the government after all

funding and encouraging parasitic slothful behaviour is not



again-the only real objective definition of fair is paying for what you use and the people the scummy obama wants to tax more already pay far more than their fair share
 
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Conservative said:
862 billion would have been enough if structured properly. As I asked name for me one economic prediction of the Obama Administration that has been accurate?
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Nope! You have to identify multiplier effects relative to the respective stimulus to make such a bold assumption. You have yet to do so. Therefore...... Greater effort is required to truly develop your argument.
 
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Goldenboy219 said:
Nope! You have to identify multiplier effects relative to the respective stimulus to make such a bold assumption. You have yet to do so. Therefore...... Greater effort is required to truly develop your argument.
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That is your opinion but some things aren't black and white textbook items like you seem to believe. Some people are simply book smart and street stupid and I don't mean that to be derogatory but basic human behavior, logic, and common sense seems to be missing from far too many. The multiplier effect in this economy is the American consumer keeping more of what they earn and spending it as they see fit. Supply side works and always will and there are millions of people like me as proof.
 
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Conservative said:
That is your opinion but some things aren't black and white textbook items like you seem to believe.
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Text books are not B&W b nuance and opposing POVs are a part of good ones.

The multiplier effect in this economy is the American consumer keeping more of what they earn and spending it as they see fit. Supply side works and always will and there are millions of people like me as proof.
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It is all well and good people keep more of their money but what happens when the cost of healthcare goes up by 2 dollars vs the 1 extra I get in tax breaks?
 
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winston53660 said:
Text books are not B&W b nuance and opposing POVs are a part of good ones.



It is all well and good people keep more of their money but what happens when the cost of healthcare goes up by 2 dollars vs the 1 extra I get in tax breaks?
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There are a lot of reasons for healthcare costs to be high and nothing in the Obamacare plan will lower costs and increase access. In order to get a handle on healthcare costs a complete study has to be done to determine all aspects of that cost and that has never been done. Do that and then you can address costs and cut them.

Ooops, off track again, healthcare has nothing to do with this thread.
 
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Conservative said:
There are a lot of reasons for healthcare costs to be high and nothing in the Obamacare plan will lower costs and increase access. In order to get a handle on healthcare costs a complete study has to be done to determine all aspects of that cost and that has never been done. Do that and then you can address costs and cut them.

Ooops, off track again, healthcare has nothing to do with this thread.
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I was responding to the talking points you bring up in every friggen thread despite the topic. And I see again you avoid the point.
 
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winston53660 said:
I was responding to the talking points you bring up in every friggen thread despite the topic. And I see again you avoid the point.
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I see you are back to baiting as you usually do. I knew there was a reason I ignored your posts. Won't make that mistake again. Sorry facts are not talking points, too bad you are incapable of doing your own research to verify what someone else is telling you.
 
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TurtleDude said:
what idiotic class envy psychobabble. the top 1% is around 350K cut off. ie lawyers, doctors, accountants, small business owners make up a large amount of the top 1%

your posts ooze envy
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Why would I be envious? It will more than like end up costing me quite a bit of money; unlike others on this board I put the financial stability of my country on a higher plane. I was coming home thru Denver and heard this song,it Kinda hit home.

Especially the part about the workingman paying the band while the rich man dances.:2wave:
 
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Conservative said:
I see you are back to baiting as you usually do. I knew there was a reason I ignored your posts. Won't make that mistake again. Sorry facts are not talking points, too bad you are incapable of doing your own research to verify what someone else is telling you.
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So one more time, if people get to keep one more dollar in tax cuts yet healthcare costs go up by two dollars who is short one dollar?
 
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