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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    What a hoot your are conservative. The above sentence has you bitching about” a 3.8 trillion dollar budget “ and at the sentence below your whining about paying the budget off.





    Sure it’s the “people’s money”. Why not pay the debt down and USE THE “people’s money” that had the use of it for the last ten years and evidently made most of it?
    It wasn't the people's money that caused the debt it was the spending of that money most of which was "in the name of compassion" yet never getting compassionate results.

    You keep spouting liberal talking points but never address actual facts presented. Explain to me how tax revenue went up AFTER the Reagan and Bush tax rate cuts and then how tax cuts allowing people to keep more of what they earn hurts the economy and causes deficits?

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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

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    Aaaaw.. Isn’t that nice, two strawmen he even named them “Nadal and Federer” and
    its not even Halloween.






    How about getting the economy back in shape(with the sunset dough ) and make it possible for the "net drain", as you call American Citizens a shot at a decent paying job. Much like they had before reagainomics kicked in.
    its idiotic to think an administration that gains its power by buying the votes of those not being hit with higher taxes would ever use higher taxes to actually reduce the deficit rather than buying votes

    if those who vote in people like Obama never suffer higher taxes (or less welfare payments) as a consequence of reckless government spending, there will never be anything done to stop said spending.

    people get good paying jobs when they have the tools to compete globally. Liberal policies have sapped the desire of people to gain good educations it seems



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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    As they say, elections have consequences. In 2008 the country decided to go in a direction that led to an explosion of government spending. People have to pay for it. I think it is a losing arguement for Republicans to argue this point. Putting fairness aside, any politician would like to be on the side that gives something to 95% of the people and perhaps screwing the other 5%. Who wants to be on the other side of that arguement?

    There is no debate that the deficit has to come down. In all likelihood this is not the end of the soak the rich mentality. Many states are raising their tax rates on the higher incomes, don't forget the 3.8% surcharge on capital gains that starts I think in 2013 from the HC bill.

    Time will tell if this is good or bad for the country. I can tell you I recently retired. Although I made a pretty good income, it just stopped being worth it after all the taxes along with the stress that comes with a higher paying job.
    You are going to enjoy retirement, I retired 6 years ago and am having a ball.

    It really is a shame to see the direction this country is headed. You and I lived and worked through some very difficult and some very rewarding times. I believe both of us grew up learning personal responsibility something that seems to be lost today. Today there are no consequences for failure and in fact seems to be rewards for failure.

    Growing up there was always class envy but it sure seems a lot worse today. Civics, History, and economics seems to be subjects that aren't taught in schools any more or if they are taught, the lessons there aren't being retained. No one seems to understand the basic role of govt. and their true responsibilities. Anytime someone doesn't have concerns about someone else paying their bills we have a serious problem.

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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

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    You are going to enjoy retirement, I retired 6 years ago and am having a ball.

    It really is a shame to see the direction this country is headed. You and I lived and worked through some very difficult and some very rewarding times. I believe both of us grew up learning personal responsibility something that seems to be lost today. Today there are no consequences for failure and in fact seems to be rewards for failure.

    Growing up there was always class envy but it sure seems a lot worse today. Civics, History, and economics seems to be subjects that aren't taught in schools any more or if they are taught, the lessons there aren't being retained. No one seems to understand the basic role of govt. and their true responsibilities. Anytime someone doesn't have concerns about someone else paying their bills we have a serious problem.
    you are correct

    my late father who was a child in the depression, served in WWII and started as the night foreman in the factory he ended up as CEO of noted the following

    HE said son, when I was a boy if a working man and his son were walking to town and a man in a cadillac passed them on the road, the father would say to his son "boy, if you get a good education and stay in school one day you will be driving me to town in your own cadillac.

    now what happens is the man will tell his son that its unfair that they have to walk while the other man not only is able to afford a car but an expensive one and the government ought to do something about that and make the driver buy them a car



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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

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    It wasn't the people's money that caused the debt it was the spending of that money most of which was "in the name of compassion" yet never getting compassionate results.

    Youíre partially right; it was irresponsible spending, (two wars, one needless) compounded by two tax-cuts that got us in this bind. Kinda sounds like something the mad hatter would cook up doesnít it?

    Explain to me how tax revenue went up AFTER the Reagan and Bush tax rate cuts and then how tax cuts allowing people to keep more of what they earn hurts the economy and causes deficits?

    Thatís been explained to you in a previous thread.Take your meds that might help you remember it.
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    You’re partially right; it was irresponsible spending, (two wars, one needless) compounded by two tax-cuts that got us in this bind. Kinda sounds like something the mad hatter would cook up doesn’t it?




    That’s been explained to you in a previous thread.Take your meds that might help you remember it.
    LOL, tell that to the CBO that you and others seem to love. They posted a chart on the cost of the Iraq War and compared that to the Obama stimulus. Bet you cannot guess the answer as to which one cost a lot more? By the way, Obama has added 3 trillion to the debt in 2 years. How much of that was due to the Wars?

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...-stimulus-act/

    As for explaining anything, you are hardly someone to be taken seriously. Facts simply get in the way of your liberal rhetoric. Are you sending your Bush tax cuts back from each paycheck or are you one of the 47% that don't pay any Federal Income Taxes?
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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

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    its idiotic to think an administration that gains its power by buying the votes of those not being hit with higher taxes would ever use higher taxes to actually reduce the deficit rather than buying votes
    The strawman you built so you can pounce on donít deserve a response. Will only say this, check the previous Democratic administrations and get back to me.

    if those who vote in people like Obama never suffer higher taxes (or less welfare payments) as a consequence of reckless government spending, there will never be anything done to stop said spending.
    See above.

    people get good paying jobs when they have the tools to compete globally.
    Yea, yea,the old pull yourself up by your boot straps, to people that cant afford to buy shoes eh?


    Liberal policies have sapped the desire of people to gain good educations it seems

    More beckerman bs.
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    LOL, tell that to the CBO that you and others seem to love. They posted a chart on the cost of the Iraq War and compared that to the Obama stimulus. Bet you cannot guess the answer as to which one cost a lot more? By the way, Obama has added 3 trillion to the debt in 2 years. How much of that was due to the Wars?

    FOXNews.com - CBO: Eight Years of Iraq War Cost Less Than Stimulus Act
    PolitiFact | Did the stimulus cost more than the war in Iraq?



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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Tell that to the CBO that you put a lot of faith in but apparently only when they come up with numbers that you want to believe. Oh, by the way, wasn't the stimulus plan supposed to be for shovel ready jobs and to put people back to work, not be extended through 2019
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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Tell that to the CBO that you put a lot of faith in but apparently only when they come up with numbers that you want to believe. Oh, by the way, wasn't the stimulus plan supposed to be for shovel ready jobs and to put people back to work, not be extended through 2019
    Where does the CBO show the cost of the massive injuries that resulted in the Iraq war?


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