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    Re: GOP plan to extend tax cuts for rich adds $36 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    Conservative, I fully understand what you are saying. However I am not arguing about the long run sustainability of SS, I am speaking of the unified budget. This is how the federal government reports all of its budget supluses/deficits. By your logic, literally every president since the unified budget was created has been "lying" about his budget balance.

    Unified budget reciepts exceed unified budget expenditures during the years we are speaking of, and this resulted in a decrease in debt held by the public (hence a surplus). You seem to think that internal borrowing is somehow included in the unified budget, which goes against the definition of a unified budget. There was a surplus, by definintion, during the "clinton years" that are in question.
    If you fully understand the unified budget then you know as you stated that Clinton was dishonest with the American people about reducing the U.S. Debt. I agree with you, ALL Presidents have used the SS surplus to show a lower debt than we actually had however that unified debt is what is shown by the U.S. Treasury and there was no reduction at all.

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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The CRA under Clinton started it. Bush continued it. Barney Frank's oversight committee did absolutely nothing to stop irresponsible lending by FHA, Fanny/Freddie. S&P, Fitch, Moody's fraudlently rated the portfolios as AAA. Wall Street did what Wall Street always does. Tried to make a profit.
    that's just bs. it's so much more complicated than that. and in the end, it comes down to corporate greed.

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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    that's just bs. it's so much more complicated than that. and in the end, it comes down to corporate greed.
    Since small business makes up 80% of the employment in this country is it their greed as well? Why aren't you concerned about political greed and the 3.8 trillion dollar Obama budget? you choose where you spend your dollar but don't care where the govt. spends your dollar, does that make sense to you?

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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Have you not said that the rich need to pay "their fair share?" What exactly is "their fair share" in your world?
    No, I didn't use that phrase, look it up.

    Again with the tax rates? Did the rich people pay more or less in actual taxes due to the Bush tax cuts?
    It doesn't take a genius or the proverbial rocket scientist to know they pay less due to the Bush tax cuts.


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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    No, I didn't use that phrase, look it up.


    It doesn't take a genius or the proverbial rocket scientist to know they pay less due to the Bush tax cuts.
    Unfortunately you, like far too many, buy the liberal rhetoric that a reduction in tax rates means less revenue taken in the form of taxes. Are you ever going to admit that liberalism has made a fool out of you?

    The Rich Pay More Taxes: Top 20 Percent Pay Record Share of Income Taxes | The Heritage Foundation

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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Unfortunately you, like far too many, buy the liberal rhetoric that a reduction in tax rates means less revenue taken in the form of taxes. Are you ever going to admit that liberalism has made a fool out of you?

    The Rich Pay More Taxes: Top 20 Percent Pay Record Share of Income Taxes | The Heritage Foundation
    I knew you would pull that BS, see my sig conservative. On and individual basis the rich pay less and like I said, it doesn't take a genius to know this.


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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I knew you would pull that BS, see my sig conservative. On and individual basis the rich pay less and like I said, it doesn't take a genius to know this.
    So you know what the individual actually pays in taxes? How do you know that? You assume based upon what you are told, that is how you know. The facts show differently. If the individual paid less in taxes and that is representative of all rich individuals then how did govt. revenue go up AFTER the Bush tax cuts on those individuals? Just another issue that you don't understand yet you continue to support liberalism?

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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I knew you would pull that BS, see my sig conservative. On and individual basis the rich pay less and like I said, it doesn't take a genius to know this.
    LOL, so figures from the U.S. Treasury, the checkbook of the United States, lie now but liberals using CBO numbers don't? Got it. your sources are accurate but the U.S. Treasury lies? Find that Clinton surplus yet? How about the GOP control of Congress in 2002? I could go on with all your misinformation but won't waste my time.

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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Figures don't lie, but liars figure.


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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Figures don't lie, but liars figure.
    So who are those liars posting Treasury data? What figures in those numbers are lies?

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