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    Re: GOP plan to extend tax cuts for rich adds $36 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    Obviously conservative, except the only way the SS trust funds and the like could purchase a government tresuary and therby increase intragovernmental holdings was if those programs were in surplus. Do you dispute this? How can debt issued to the public go down if there was no surplus? It is literally impossible.

    You are literally arguing that the US national debt increased because government programs like SS,medicare,etc had such a large surplus. Therefore there was no surplus.
    Where was that surplus supposed to go? You just don't get it and probably never will. You "contribute" to SS as does your employer and that money is supposed to be there when you retire. If fewer people retire than are contributing then there is going to be a short term surplus. Like everything else liberals do it is kick the can down the road. That money should be set aside for when you retire. Instead it is being spent now.
    Make sense to you? As for govt. bonds, where does the money come for those bonds? Eventually the govt. has to cover payments for those bonds, where is the money going to come from?

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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    so...i'm brainwashed because i expect you to pay your fair share?? ooooooooooook.......
    Still waiting for you to tell me what my fair share tax liability is? Thanks

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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

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    Really? I live in TX, you live in Oregon yet you are the expert? How can someone be so wrong on so many issues, find that Clinton surplus yet?

    FOXNews.com - Company Audits Up, Illegal Worker Arrests Way Down Since 2008

    So those illegal's don't cost local communities at all? Fine the employers and leave the illegals in this country. Make sense to you? Our County spent over 600,000 last year for healthcare for illegals. That apparently is another success story for a liberal and Obama.
    The video is a hypercharged ad, it's off topic as well, that says he doesn't care, that's bs. If you want more border security send your bucks to Rick Perry in Austin.


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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Still waiting for you to tell me what my fair share tax liability is? Thanks
    Why do you always try to turn the discussion to personal issues. It doesn't matter what anybody thinks what your fair share of taxes is. Relavance is zilch, nada.


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    Re: GOP plan to extend tax cuts for rich adds $36 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Where was that surplus supposed to go? You just don't get it and probably never will. You "contribute" to SS as does your employer and that money is supposed to be there when you retire. If fewer people retire than are contributing then there is going to be a short term surplus. Like everything else liberals do it is kick the can down the road. That money should be set aside for when you retire. Instead it is being spent now.
    Make sense to you? As for govt. bonds, where does the money come for those bonds? Eventually the govt. has to cover payments for those bonds, where is the money going to come from?
    It went exactly were it is supposed to go, to the general fund to reduce the public debt and create a surplus. I am simply stating a fact, that there was a surplus FY 1998,99,00 (maybe 01, don't remember). I don't really care to argue what you think should have happened.

    Obviously the government has to pay the national debt. I never argued otherwise. I am just saying there was a surplus for those years because the outstanding public debt was reduced. That is pretty definitional.

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    Re: GOP plan to extend tax cuts for rich adds $36 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    It went exactly were it is supposed to go, to the general fund to reduce the public debt and create a surplus. I am simply stating a fact, that there was a surplus FY 1998,99,00 (maybe 01, don't remember). I don't really care to argue what you think should have happened.

    Obviously the government has to pay the national debt. I never argued otherwise. I am just saying there was a surplus for those years because the outstanding public debt was reduced. That is pretty definitional.
    You are kidding, right, SS surplus should go to pay down the public debt? What about the intergovt. holdings which it was taken from? Apparently you don't realize it is your SS money that is being spent on other items? Where is the money going to come from that you expect when you retire and you contributed for decades?

    The surplus in the budget with money taken from govt. holdings isn't a surplus at all. I cannot believe we are having this argument. You obviously don't understand SS.

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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Why do you always try to turn the discussion to personal issues. It doesn't matter what anybody thinks what your fair share of taxes is. Relavance is zilch, nada.
    You and Randel claim that the rich don't pay their fair share yet won't tell what you believe that fair share is? You call that getting personal?

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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    The video is a hypercharged ad, it's off topic as well, that says he doesn't care, that's bs. If you want more border security send your bucks to Rick Perry in Austin.
    Border security is a Federal Responsibility or didn't you know "your" President sued Arizona for trying to protect their citizens? Fining businesses and letting the illegal's go free just passes the buck to someone else for the expense of those illegal's. There is no logic or common sense in any of your arguments.

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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Border security is a Federal Responsibility or didn't you know "your" President sued Arizona for trying to protect their citizens? Fining businesses and letting the illegal's go free just passes the buck to someone else for the expense of those illegal's. There is no logic or common sense in any of your arguments.
    President Obama has sent NG to troops Arizona to protect the borders, the Arizona law has nothing to do with border security. It's about checking one's 'papers' like they did in the old Soviet Union. Is that what you want? It's illegal to cross the border into this country however, it's not illegal to be here without 'papers.' Whether you like it or not, everyone present in this country reguardless of status is covered by the Bill of Rights.

    I repeat, the Arizona law, SB1070, will not stop anyone from entering this county. It's stupidity on steroids to think it will.


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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You and Randel claim that the rich don't pay their fair share yet won't tell what you believe that fair share is? You call that getting personal?
    What do you think is fair?


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