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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Really? so the rich got a bigger percentage tax cut than the rest of us? Why do you care how much taxes the rich pay instead of worrying about how much money your govt. spends? All Liberals seem to have class envy and the question is why?
    A Better question is why do you protect the rich? Is it because you want to protect your own, or is it just more grist for the mill?

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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    how many times does this need to be explained to you? what part of the 'buzzword' thing don't you understand? you fall back to this everytime someone corners you...i care about who would benefit from tax cuts, and frankly, the top 2 percent don't need them. why are we giving more money to the people who already have more than enough to live on? for several lifetimes?? what do you have against the poor and middleclass? why not give them these tax cuts? why do you want to penalize the poor and middleclass? why do you support class warfare against the middleclass and poor? why?
    You seem to have a different definition of being cornered than I do as I am not cornered at all. I asked you a question and you ran from it as usual. it doesn't matter what the question is because you are going to ignore it. You say that the top 2% don't need their own money? Who are you to tell anyone else what they need or don't need. "We" aren't giving them more money "we" are allowing them to keep what they earned. You seem to have a serious problem with understanding earned income.

    For decades liberals have been taking other people's money and wasting it, all in the name of compassion. If you want to take care of the poor do so in your local community instead of sending your money to D.C. and having them take their cut and the distribute your money to some other community. That make sense to you? It is me promoting class warfare and penalizing the poor. My bet is I give more to charity than you make and I do it locally where it does the most good. You, on the other hand, buy the govt. rhetoric about compassion as you ignore that bureaucrats are never compassionate.

    So now to answer your direct questions which by the way you never do with me, here goes

    how many times does this need to be explained to you? It needs to be explained until it makes sense to me and it doesn't because results or lack of them trump the rhetoric.

    what part of the 'buzzword' thing don't you understand? I don't call class envy or warfare a buzz word, I call it reality. I call tax increases taking someone else's as money and with this govt. that is theft.

    why are we giving more money to the people who already have more than enough to live on? for several lifetimes?? You don't see a problem with that question? It really says a lot about you as you seem to reject the concept of it being the people's money first. The govt. cannot give more money to someone else unless they take it from others and that seems to be what you are proposing. Try to understand this or maybe you need to move to some other country, it isn't the government's money to give to someone else until the take it. Understand what taking it means?

    what do you have against the poor and middleclass? See above, through my church and local charities I give more to people in need than you probably make. I have nothing against the poor or middle class and worked hard to get out of those classes. I know the value of hard work and risk taking. I probably helped more get out of the poor and middle class than you even know.

    why not give them these tax cuts? Because it isn't their money to give. I prefer teaching people how to fish vs. giving them a fish to eat. Which one makes the less dependent?

    why do you want to penalize the poor and middleclass? I don't want to penalize anyone and would prefer that the poor work hard, take risk, and get out of that class. Giving them someone else's money has never helped someone get out of a lower class, it keeps them dependent.

    why do you support class warfare against the middleclass and poor? why? It isn't me that is calling for taking someone else's money and giving it to someone else. I don't even like the government taking yours.

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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    A Better question is why do you protect the rich? Is it because you want to protect your own, or is it just more grist for the mill?

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    How am I protecting the rich by supporting their right to keep THEIR OWN MONEY! Seems like a concept you and others don't seem to understand. I cannot believe I am having this argument with a fellow American. This country wasn't built on the principles of forced redistribution of wealth and that is what you are supporting.

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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You seem to have a different definition of being cornered than I do as I am not cornered at all. I asked you a question and you ran from it as usual. it doesn't matter what the question is because you are going to ignore it. You say that the top 2% don't need their own money? Who are you to tell anyone else what they need or don't need. "We" aren't giving them more money "we" are allowing them to keep what they earned. You seem to have a serious problem with understanding earned income.

    For decades liberals have been taking other people's money and wasting it, all in the name of compassion. If you want to take care of the poor do so in your local community instead of sending your money to D.C. and having them take their cut and the distribute your money to some other community. That make sense to you? It is me promoting class warfare and penalizing the poor. My bet is I give more to charity than you make and I do it locally where it does the most good. You, on the other hand, buy the govt. rhetoric about compassion as you ignore that bureaucrats are never compassionate.

    So now to answer your direct questions which by the way you never do with me, here goes

    how many times does this need to be explained to you? It needs to be explained until it makes sense to me and it doesn't because results or lack of them trump the rhetoric.

    what part of the 'buzzword' thing don't you understand? I don't call class envy or warfare a buzz word, I call it reality. I call tax increases taking someone else's as money and with this govt. that is theft.

    why are we giving more money to the people who already have more than enough to live on? for several lifetimes?? You don't see a problem with that question? It really says a lot about you as you seem to reject the concept of it being the people's money first. The govt. cannot give more money to someone else unless they take it from others and that seems to be what you are proposing. Try to understand this or maybe you need to move to some other country, it isn't the government's money to give to someone else until the take it. Understand what taking it means?

    what do you have against the poor and middleclass? See above, through my church and local charities I give more to people in need than you probably make. I have nothing against the poor or middle class and worked hard to get out of those classes. I know the value of hard work and risk taking. I probably helped more get out of the poor and middle class than you even know.

    why not give them these tax cuts? Because it isn't their money to give. I prefer teaching people how to fish vs. giving them a fish to eat. Which one makes the less dependent?

    why do you want to penalize the poor and middleclass? I don't want to penalize anyone and would prefer that the poor work hard, take risk, and get out of that class. Giving them someone else's money has never helped someone get out of a lower class, it keeps them dependent.

    why do you support class warfare against the middleclass and poor? why? It isn't me that is calling for taking someone else's money and giving it to someone else. I don't even like the government taking yours.
    you do indeed support class warfare against the middleclass and poor, you are , by your own admission in this post, rich, so i understand now why you are so adamant about relieving the rich of their tax responsibilities....you got yours, screw everyone else...and yes, you support taking money from the group, the whole, to benefit the few...

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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    you do indeed support class warfare against the middleclass and poor, you are , by your own admission in this post, rich, so i understand now why you are so adamant about relieving the rich of their tax responsibilities....you got yours, screw everyone else...and yes, you support taking money from the group, the whole, to benefit the few...
    You label people as rich or poor but don't seem to have a problem with that. You really are part of the problem and not part of the solution. Obviously you don't understand the basic principles upon which this country was built. I do feel sorry for you so does that make me liberal?

    Nice distortion of my position and totally ignoring what I posted. As I stated I probably give more to charity and my church than you make and yet that means I got mine "screw everyone else?" How am I or anyone else taking anything from the poor since the poor don't pay any income taxes? You need to stop posting as you are making a fool of yourself.

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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You label people as rich or poor but don't seem to have a problem with that. You really are part of the problem and not part of the solution. Obviously you don't understand the basic principles upon which this country was built. I do feel sorry for you so does that make me liberal?

    Nice distortion of my position and totally ignoring what I posted. As I stated I probably give more to charity and my church than you make and yet that means I got mine "screw everyone else?" How am I or anyone else taking anything from the poor since the poor don't pay any income taxes? You need to stop posting as you are making a fool of yourself.
    so you are bragging that you are rich, good for you, i don't hold that against you, though it shouldnt relieve you of your tax responsibilities....for those who have much, much is expected.

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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Really? so the rich got a bigger percentage tax cut than the rest of us? Why do you care how much taxes the rich pay instead of worrying about how much money your govt. spends? All Liberals seem to have class envy and the question is why?
    It's not class envy, it's because the government provides the infrastructure which includes many things that these wealthy people used to earn and keep their riches. I have no problem with them being rich, they just need to pay their share.


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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    so you are bragging that you are rich, good for you, i don't hold that against you, though it shouldnt relieve you of your tax responsibilities....for those who have much, much is expected.
    I make no apology for what I have EARNED and I pay a lot in taxes each year. When I get to keep more of my money I give more to charity and more to my family so that you and others don't have to take care of them when I am no longer around. That is called accepting personal responsibility. For those that have much, much is given, a lot more than the bureaucrats would have you believe. Liberals want you dependent on them and you seem to buy that. I prefer taking control of my own destiny and giving to the charities in my local community. You seem to have a problem with that thus I do feel sorry for that misguided opinion and yhour brainwashing.

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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    It's not class envy, it's because the government provides the infrastructure which includes many things that these wealthy people used to earn and keep their riches. I have no problem with them being rich, they just need to pay their share.
    exactly.....

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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    It's not class envy, it's because the government provides the infrastructure which includes many things that these wealthy people used to earn and keep their riches. I have no problem with them being rich, they just need to pay their share.
    Most of the infrastructure is paid for by use taxes, not Federal Income taxes. Everytime you buy a gallon of gasoline .19 goes to the Federal Govt. and then there are taxes that go to the states. That funds roads and bridges. What infrastructure is funded by income taxes?

    There you go again, "paying their fair share" what exactly does that mean to you? How much is their fair share since they pay a high percentage of total tax revenue now. What is the fair share of people who don't pay any income taxes yet have cell phones, HD TV's, computers, pagers, etc?

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