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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    so...now you are saying that all liberals are 8th grade dropouts?
    that would be a disservice to 8th Grade dropouts of which my Dad was one. Interesting that he left home to work in the CC camps of Oregon making .50 a day sending half of that home. He joined the Navy at 18 and was at Pearl Harbor when it was bombed. He learned a trade in the military, started his own business, employed a lot of people, and successfully raised a family showing that hard work pays off, something sorely missing today.

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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    . He learned a trade in the military, started his own business, employed a lot of people, and successfully raised a family showing that hard work pays off, something sorely missing today.
    How did he do that with such high taxes at the time?

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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

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    That is the problem I have with liberalism as they feed on the ignorance of supporters by appealing to their hearts. The poorly informed have little civics, history, or economics training and that is evidenced in their reaction to the present economics conditions and the blame they put on Bush.
    Whether Bush or Obama, they are JUST THE PRESIDENT, it takes congress to really screw things up...
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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Whether Bush or Obama, they are JUST THE PRESIDENT, it takes congress to really screw things up...
    Couldn't agree more but the civics challenged people have a problem understanding that as it is easier blaming the President than actually thinking and doing research.

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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    I have no problem with it either except in too many cases they get rich by screwing the little people who have more blind trust than the rich. Caveat Emptor (let the buyer beware) is really a license to steal, because gullible buyers would rather eat their loses than admit they were taken. The very basis of TV advertising is to cleverly deceive, and the fact that these commercials are still playing on TV proves my point.

    The poor trust, the rich take advantage of their gullibility, and the government doesn't care. That's the formula for all self-made nabobs to get rich today.

    If the government would force all product purveyors to prove their claims, there would be far less rich people and more money in poor people's pockets to spend on things they really need.

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    The problem here is that you can misinform without actually lying, it's the old "We Report, You Decide") mentality. Give enough information and spin and the audience will more than likely conclude what you want them to believe. The prime example is when people start spouting percentages such as the top 5% or 47% don't pay taxes. It's all intended to misinform.


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    Re: GOP plan to extend tax cuts for rich adds $36 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What exactly are you trying to show with that chart? All it does is prove what I posted, that debt went up every year of Clinton thus there was no debt reduction during his term
    Conservative ask this question=(When has the Congress ever paid down any of the debt)

    my answer was (I believe ti was during the Clinton years, which had a Republican majority in Congress that did something besides obstruct that did it.)

    The last two years of the Clinton administration.

    The debt was paid down for them two years.

    12/21/1999=====5,728,801,689,365.32

    01/19/2001====5,727,776,738,304.64


    Here you go, play with your toy and see if you can find a couple of years of dubya that it was paid down.

    Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)


    Now lets get back on the subject that you are so intent on dodging. Why should the bush tax-cuts not see the sunset? To me it is nothing but win,win, the country gets a hold of some of the dough that should have gone into the coffers for the last ten years. shell a bit of it out for retiring the debt, a bit more for stimulus.

    Like I said in another thread, if that stimulus was used on high profile public projects, such as highway improvements, light rail with plenty of REALLY BIG SIGNS "saying this highway/rail/whatever project was paid for with your stimulus dough" it would go a long way in improving the publics confidence in the economy.

    The key is lots of PR, let the public know the dough came out of …conservatives pocket.
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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    The problem here is that you can misinform without actually lying, it's the old "We Report, You Decide") mentality. Give enough information and spin and the audience will more than likely conclude what you want them to believe. The prime example is when people start spouting percentages such as the top 5% or 47% don't pay taxes. It's all intended to misinform.
    Then straighten us out, where are we wrong? IRS seems to disagree with you. I don't expect you to ever change your mind but hopefully you will learn to think with it. Research before your spout rhetoric and do so by researching non partisan sites.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Nearly....html?x=0&.v=1
    Last edited by Conservative; 08-22-10 at 07:52 PM. Reason: Percentage not paying income taxes

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    Re: GOP plan to extend tax cuts for rich adds $36 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Conservative ask this question=(When has the Congress ever paid down any of the debt)

    my answer was (I believe ti was during the Clinton years, which had a Republican majority in Congress that did something besides obstruct that did it.)

    The last two years of the Clinton administration.

    The debt was paid down for them two years.

    12/21/1999=====5,728,801,689,365.32

    01/19/2001====5,727,776,738,304.64


    Here you go, play with your toy and see if you can find a couple of years of dubya that it was paid down.

    Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)


    Now lets get back on the subject that you are so intent on dodging. Why should the bush tax-cuts not see the sunset? To me it is nothing but win,win, the country gets a hold of some of the dough that should have gone into the coffers for the last ten years. shell a bit of it out for retiring the debt, a bit more for stimulus.

    Like I said in another thread, if that stimulus was used on high profile public projects, such as highway improvements, light rail with plenty of REALLY BIG SIGNS "saying this highway/rail/whatever project was paid for with your stimulus dough" it would go a long way in improving the publics confidence in the economy.

    The key is lots of PR, let the public know the dough came out of …conservatives pocket.
    So the Treasury lies? Got it.

    Fiscal
    Year Year
    Ending National Debt Deficit
    FY1993 09/30/1993 $4.411488 trillion
    FY1994 09/30/1994 $4.692749 trillion $281.26 billion
    FY1995 09/29/1995 $4.973982 trillion $281.23 billion
    FY1996 09/30/1996 $5.224810 trillion $250.83 billion
    FY1997 09/30/1997 $5.413146 trillion $188.34 billion
    FY1998 09/30/1998 $5.526193 trillion $113.05 billion
    FY1999 09/30/1999 $5.656270 trillion $130.08 billion
    FY2000 09/29/2000 $5.674178 trillion $17.91 billion
    FY2001 09/28/2001 $5.807463 trillion $133.29 billion

    I don't see a reduction in debt at the official Treasury website. Please enlighten me.

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    Re: GOP plan to extend tax cuts for rich adds $36 billion


    You can't be a fiscal conservative and believe that renewing the Bush tax cuts is a good idea in the face of trillion dollar deficits. It's over. Time to pay up.
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    Re: GOP plan to extend tax cuts for rich adds $36 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post

    You can't be a fiscal conservative and believe that renewing the Bush tax cuts is a good idea in the face of trillion dollar deficits. It's over. Time to pay up.
    How can allowing the taxpayer to keep more of their own money result in borrowing more from someone else? So let's see if I have this correct, the govt. needs the money more than the American taxapayer? I cannot believe you continue to ignore the waste, fraud, and abuse of our taxdollars by politicians so now you want the American people to pay more? Your class envy is showing. What are you doing to reduce the deficit and debt?

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