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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Our granddaughter has an inoperable brain tumor, been on chemo 4 years, running out of options. Radiation is next, and that has terrible consequences for the rest of her brain. Luckily, her parents have good insurance that pays 100% after the annual deductible, but for a lot of little kids down at Phoenix Children's Hospital, their parents have to pay 20%, and that is enough to bankrupt them.
    How we treat the unfortunate is a measure of our greatness as a country.
    By the way, Bill, I am so sorry to hear about your granddaughter. Fighting cancer is a tough battle and I know what you are experiencing only a little closer to home. My wife has colon cancer and went through the radiation and chemo treatments. I have first hand knowledge of the pain and suffering cancer creates. Your granddaughter is in my thoughts and prayers.

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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    You would think that fiscal conservatives would be opposed to extending any tax breaks until the budget is balanced. Deficits mean that Americans are not paying enough. I oppose extending any of Bush's tax cuts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    You would think that fiscal conservatives would be opposed to extending any tax breaks until the budget is balanced. Deficits mean that Americans are not paying enough. I oppose extending any of Bush's tax cuts.
    Why is it you have a problem understanding that revenue to the govt. went up AFTER the tax rate cuts of Reagan and Bush thus had no affect on the deficit. It is all about spending and what you believe to be the role of the govt. Balancing the budget could have easily been done with the increase in revenue from the tax rate cuts but as usual Congress sees a dollar and spends it.

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    By the way, Bill, I am so sorry to hear about your granddaughter. Fighting cancer is a tough battle and I know what you are experiencing only a little closer to home. My wife has colon cancer and went through the radiation and chemo treatments. I have first hand knowledge of the pain and suffering cancer creates. Your granddaughter is in my thoughts and prayers.
    And returning the thoughts and prayers....my Dad died of that, but it was his fault for ignoring his doctor when told to go see a specialist.
    Most churches aren't set up financially for the kind of expenses that can occur for serious illnesses. In just 4 years, our grandchild, Makenzie, has cost the insurance company almost a million dollars, with three million as her limit. Her initial tumor is inoperable, but they tried taking her off chemo to see what would happen, and she grew an extension of her existing tumor that went from Zip to golf ball size in a few months. That one was operable, but it took almost 5 months for her to recover physically. Mentally and emotionally, she now knows without a doubt that this could kill her, or at the least seriously handicap her. She goes to Camp Rainbow every summer, a retreat for kids like her, and every year she learns that there is some little friend who has died.
    Her situation is why I am for a healthcare system that takes over at a certain point for catastrophic illnesses. For day to day routine illnesses, if govt covers it, there needs to be a deductible and sliding scale copays to keep the hypochondriacs from flooding the system. I know too many people who can afford insurance, but won't "waste" the money on it. They have plenty of funds for their wants, but disregard the needs of their children.
    As for taxes, I know the govt wastes a lot of it, but I still don't mind paying them. I just wish that we were truly free to suffer the consequences of bad behavior. Then the available funds can be used for those who are ill for no cause of their own...
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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    And returning the thoughts and prayers....my Dad died of that, but it was his fault for ignoring his doctor when told to go see a specialist.
    Most churches aren't set up financially for the kind of expenses that can occur for serious illnesses. In just 4 years, our grandchild, Makenzie, has cost the insurance company almost a million dollars, with three million as her limit. Her initial tumor is inoperable, but they tried taking her off chemo to see what would happen, and she grew an extension of her existing tumor that went from Zip to golf ball size in a few months. That one was operable, but it took almost 5 months for her to recover physically. Mentally and emotionally, she now knows without a doubt that this could kill her, or at the least seriously handicap her. She goes to Camp Rainbow every summer, a retreat for kids like her, and every year she learns that there is some little friend who has died.
    Her situation is why I am for a healthcare system that takes over at a certain point for catastrophic illnesses. For day to day routine illnesses, if govt covers it, there needs to be a deductible and sliding scale copays to keep the hypochondriacs from flooding the system. I know too many people who can afford insurance, but won't "waste" the money on it. They have plenty of funds for their wants, but disregard the needs of their children.
    As for taxes, I know the govt wastes a lot of it, but I still don't mind paying them. I just wish that we were truly free to suffer the consequences of bad behavior. Then the available funds can be used for those who are ill for no cause of their own...
    A truly heartbreaking story and real life. I have five grandkids and cannot imagine that happening to any of them. It would destroy us as I am sure it is destroying you. I certainly wish you the best and would love to see a cure for this terrible disease. We have similar insurance and thank God for that. In my business we offered healthcare insurance for all employees, part time and full time. The company picked up over 80% of the cost of insurance and yet 50% participated mostly the "invinceable" crowd under 30 refused coverage as nothing could ever happen to them.

    My frustration is with the govt. It is the only entity that doesn't have any consequences for failure and there should be. Many are like you in that they don't mind paying taxes but the problem is without accountability there is no incentive for the govt. to make sure the taxpayer is getting their money's worth. All I hear is rhetoric about spending in the name of compassion yet never anyone held accountable for the lack of compassionate results meaning problems solved. It is time to stop giving the govt. a blank check all because one believes it goes towards compassion. What it goes for is high administrative costs, waste, fraud and abuse.

    thanks for the prayers, things are looking a lot better here.

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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

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    I have no problem with somebody getting rich, in fact I applaud it, more power to them. They can get "filthy rich" for all I care. I completely understand your example, however in my opinion the very rich can pay the higher taxes that existed before the the Bush tax breaks were implemented. You don't agree. Tough.
    I have no problem with it either except in too many cases they get rich by screwing the little people who have more blind trust than the rich. Caveat Emptor (let the buyer beware) is really a license to steal, because gullible buyers would rather eat their loses than admit they were taken. The very basis of TV advertising is to cleverly deceive, and the fact that these commercials are still playing on TV proves my point.

    The poor trust, the rich take advantage of their gullibility, and the government doesn't care. That's the formula for all self-made nabobs to get rich today.

    If the government would force all product purveyors to prove their claims, there would be far less rich people and more money in poor people's pockets to spend on things they really need.

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    Isn't that a community or charitable responsibility to assure that the children in your community get the best care vs letting a bureaucrat in D.C. administer it? My community does that quite well as my church constantly asks for donations to help someone with a significant expense mostly medical and as always the people in the parish have risen to the occasion.
    When our situation first occurred, there were some rich people in our son's church in AZ offering to pay the annual deductible, and the Bishop had them split it, IIRC. Since then, some of them have helped with other expenses not even related to her illness, they just want to help. And of course, we have helped quite a bit. While that works well for large churches, I don't see it happening in the smaller ones. Our summer home community, Logan, Utah, has held at least 3 yard sales/fundraisers in the last few months, 2 for very ill children, and 1 for a single mom/teacher who has leukemia. Each time, 25 to 35K was raised. And in these cases, such donations aren't even tax deductible. Good communities, larger churches, etc. do a lot, but we can't expect that to be the case all the time, or even most of the time. And even churches have to be on guard against scammers....
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    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    I have no problem with it either except in too many cases they get rich by screwing the little people who have more blind trust than the rich. Caveat Emptor (let the buyer beware) is really a license to steal, because gullible buyers would rather eat their loses than admit they were taken. The very basis of TV advertising is to cleverly deceive, and the fact that these commercials are still playing on TV proves my point.

    The poor trust, the rich take advantage of their gullibility, and the government doesn't care. That's the formula for all self-made nabobs to get rich today.

    If the government would force all product purveyors to prove their claims, there would be far less rich people and more money in poor people's pockets to spend on things they really need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    smart consumerism should be taught starting in 8th grade, which too often is the last grade a lot of dropouts complete....
    Ignorance is bliss, knowledge is power....
    That is the problem I have with liberalism as they feed on the ignorance of supporters by appealing to their hearts. The poorly informed have little civics, history, or economics training and that is evidenced in their reaction to the present economics conditions and the blame they put on Bush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    That is the problem I have with liberalism as they feed on the ignorance of supporters by appealing to their hearts. The poorly informed have little civics, history, or economics training and that is evidenced in their reaction to the present economics conditions and the blame they put on Bush.
    so...now you are saying that all liberals are 8th grade dropouts?

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