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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

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    don't waste your time ......
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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Did you understand what I wrote eariler? I'M NOT DISCUSSING IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    LOL, you said that the expiration of the Bush tax cuts was not a tax increase. This isn't about discussing how much you make and never was, this was about a reduction or an increase in your take home pay after January 1, 2011. That is the answer to the question, if your take home pay goes down then it is a tax increase. If it goes up it is a tax decrease. Sounds like an easy concept to understand. To flatly say that the expiration of the Bush tax cuts isn't a tax increase is simply false.

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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    LOL, you said that the expiration of the Bush tax cuts was not a tax increase. This isn't about discussing how much you make and never was, this was about a reduction or an increase in your take home pay after January 1, 2011. That is the answer to the question, if your take home pay goes down then it is a tax increase. If it goes up it is a tax decrease. Sounds like an easy concept to understand. To flatly say that the expiration of the Bush tax cuts isn't a tax increase is simply false.
    That's not what I wrote, I said "he" meaning Obama isn't raising taxes. Go read the Constitution, the President can do nothing until legislation reaches his desk.


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    Re: GOP plan to extend tax cuts for rich adds $36 billion

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    Why don't you explain it to me because the chart shows both? As you can see there was a deficit each year and the debt went up each year. Clinton's claims were a lie and you and the media bought it.

    Wikipedia? LOL, my numbers came from the checkbook of the U.S. Mine are the official numbers.
    Here, have a ball,the numbers on that wiki came from this link .If my memory serves me right this, was a link that you used in the past.


    Government - Historical Debt Outstanding – Annual
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    That's not what I wrote, I said "he" meaning Obama isn't raising taxes. Go read the Constitution, the President can do nothing until legislation reaches his desk.
    Now it is read the Constitution. Doesn't that same Constitution authorize Congress to appropriate the money, not the President. Doesn't that mean that President Bush alone didn't create the deficit and debt he is blamed for? Doesn't that also mean that since the Democrats controlled Congress since January 2007 that they were responsible along with Bush for the recession thus doesn't that mean that Obama didn't inherit anything that he didn't help create?

    Yes, Congress raises taxes just like Congress proposed under Democrat control that the Bush taxes have a sunset provision? Has Obama proposed an extension? If the tax cuts expire aren't taxes going up?

    Interesting how you use the Constitution at various times when you think it suits you to blame FORMER President Bush but ignores that Constitution when it comes to the current President. Democrat control of Congress implemented the Obama agenda. If Obama wants to extend the Bush tax cuts do you think that Congress will deny him that legislation? In fact if the Bush tax cuts expire it will be because neither Obama or the Democrat Controlled Congress offered the extension.

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    Re: GOP plan to extend tax cuts for rich adds $36 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Here, have a ball,the numbers on that wiki came from this link .If my memory serves me right this, was a link that you used in the past.


    Government - Historical Debt Outstanding – Annual
    Continue to spin, the fact is there was no balanced budget during the Clinton years and there was no reduction in debt. That was a lie that liberals have been telling for years now and the uninformed have been buying it. Now it is on to another subject, debt as a percentage of GDP which is contrary to the topic at hand, the debt and the deficit in actual dollars. The chart I posted shows both the debt and the deficit and comes right from the official numbers at the U.S. Treasury. During no year during the Clinton years was the debt reduced and there was no surplus to reduce that debt. Now you can continue to spin that but that spinning doesn't change the facts.

    Now if you want to discuss debt as a percentage of GDP then you also have to look at the present. Obama has put Bush and Congressional spending on steroids. We will have the highest debt to GDP ration in history with the Obama budgets and in fact Debt will be 100% of GDP at this rate by the end of the decade. That is hardly a record you want to tout. As bad as you want to claim Repubican debt was Obama is going to set the record.

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    Re: GOP plan to extend tax cuts for rich adds $36 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Here, have a ball,the numbers on that wiki came from this link .If my memory serves me right this, was a link that you used in the past.


    Government - Historical Debt Outstanding – Annual
    What exactly are you trying to show with that chart? All it does is prove what I posted, that debt went up every year of Clinton thus there was no debt reduction during his term

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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

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    Doesn't it bother you that many of the programs funded in that 3.8 trillion dollar budget are designed to "help" the 47% that don't pay any income taxes? think that was the intent of our Founders? Congressional social engineering and attempts to keep people from failing have led to the disaster we have right now.
    Our granddaughter has an inoperable brain tumor, been on chemo 4 years, running out of options. Radiation is next, and that has terrible consequences for the rest of her brain. Luckily, her parents have good insurance that pays 100% after the annual deductible, but for a lot of little kids down at Phoenix Children's Hospital, their parents have to pay 20%, and that is enough to bankrupt them.
    How we treat the unfortunate is a measure of our greatness as a country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Our granddaughter has an inoperable brain tumor, been on chemo 4 years, running out of options. Radiation is next, and that has terrible consequences for the rest of her brain. Luckily, her parents have good insurance that pays 100% after the annual deductible, but for a lot of little kids down at Phoenix Children's Hospital, their parents have to pay 20%, and that is enough to bankrupt them.
    How we treat the unfortunate is a measure of our greatness as a country.
    Isn't that a community or charitable responsibility to assure that the children in your community get the best care vs letting a bureaucrat in D.C. administer it? My community does that quite well as my church constantly asks for donations to help someone with a significant expense mostly medical and as always the people in the parish have risen to the occasion.

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    Re: GOP plan to extend tax cuts for rich adds $36 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    To this question I got the above response.




    I guess we will have to get “Obvious child” in here to explain the difference to you …again, the difference in debt and deficit.

    Here, look at the National Debt as a percentage of GDP. Notice that the last Republican that managed to put a _ in the column was tricky Dick.

    Check the gippers numbers, two terms of red +followed by one term(George the 1st ) of red + followed by two terms of green _(Clinton ) followed by two super numbers of red +(George the 2nd ).

    Are you seeing the pattern here conservative? Republicans come in a wreck the economy, then comes the Dems in to fix the damage. Hope that the wingers didn’t do so much damage that it is not reparable.

    National debt by U.S. presidential terms - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Cannot help but notice that you ignored the updated chart on Debt as a percentage of GDP so you excluded Obama's record. Obviously an honest oversight? Obama has a Democrat Congress, doesn't he and is now setting records for debt to GDP ratio. I also believe you ignored the Clinton record which was generated with a GOP Congress. I wonder if Clinton proposed more or less spending than the GOP Congress approved? How about doing some research and find out?

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