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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

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    My sister and mother both entered nursing programs recently without waiting at all, so that might just be a local thing.
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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    My sister and mother both entered nursing programs recently without waiting at all, so that might just be a local thing.
    Just checking out some stories and it seems most of the student glut has worked it's way out.
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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Thank you. Now you all are making my point for me. Tax cuts - unless they're extremely dramatic don't do anything.

    Sure, you get a little more take-home pay (and I know people don't admit it, but most of them are taking home even more under Obama - at least those under $250,000 got a little stimulus in their checks) - but it doesn't have an impact on the overall economy.

    Weren't we told that the Bush tax cuts would create jobs and grow the economy? They didn't.

    If your argument is merely, it's a good thing for people to have more take-home pay and that's the end of it, then I'm okay with that argument.

    But there is no proof that it has an impact on the economy at large - so these people saying that they're going to either fix or destroy the economy if we let them lapse on the top earning bracket really don't have an argument.

    As has been pointed out, the top brackets don't need more money to spend money. They already make more than they spend, so I don't see how letting the top rate rise a little bit is going to destroy the economy.

    It's going to be a necessary part of ending the deficit - combined with cuts in spending in all areas - including everyone's sacred cow, the Department of Defense.

    Conservatives in Britain understand this.
    tax cuts meant we who pay them have more money-that does PLENTY FOR US TAX PAYERS

    if you constantly want to increase taxes on a minority that already pays most of the federal income tax, there will NEVER EVER be an incentive for the majority who don't get taxed more to ever vote for decreased spending. Dem politicians get power by using the money of the rich to buy the votes of the many. They have NO INCENTIVE to cut spending since that cuts their power.



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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    tax cuts meant we who pay them have more money-that does PLENTY FOR US TAX PAYERS

    if you constantly want to increase taxes on a minority that already pays most of the federal income tax, there will NEVER EVER be an incentive for the majority who don't get taxed more to ever vote for decreased spending. Dem politicians get power by using the money of the rich to buy the votes of the many. They have NO INCENTIVE to cut spending since that cuts their power.
    To pay for the government we voted for taxes will go up on everyone. Income tax rates will go up on the upper incomes, VAT tax, which is regressive on just about everybody. Inheritance taxes will mean that farmers will not be able to pass down their farms to their kids, same for small business people.

    Neither party is advocating specific meaningful cuts in spending, so the money has to come from somewhere. We can't expect foreign nations to keep paying for our out of control spending.

    The U.K. is ahead of us in biting the bullet and admiting that they had to reduce spending. It does not seem Americans are willing to admit yet that the path we are on is unsustainable.

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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    It does not seem Americans are willing to admit yet that the path we are on is unsustainable.
    No I think we're willing to admit it, the problem is everyone wants to gore the OTHER GUY'S ox. The people without money want the people WITH money to pay higher taxes. The people WITH money want to save money by giving even LESS support to the poor. The people in red states want blue state projects shut down. People in blue states want red state projects shut down. Never truer words have I heard, "One man's 'pork' is another man's 'desperately needed waste treatment facility.'"

    No, we know it's unsustainable, it's just that nobody thinks THEY should be the ones to shoulder the burden.
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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberhwk View Post
    No I think we're willing to admit it, the problem is everyone wants to gore the OTHER GUY'S ox. The people without money want the people WITH money to pay higher taxes. The people WITH money want to save money by giving even LESS support to the poor. The people in red states want blue state projects shut down. People in blue states want red state projects shut down. Never truer words have I heard, "One man's 'pork' is another man's 'desperately needed waste treatment facility.'"

    No, we know it's unsustainable, it's just that nobody thinks THEY should be the ones to shoulder the burden.
    I guess what I am trying to say is that the problem is bigger than just saying the other person has to deal with it. This is going to take tax increases and spending cuts that are very broad and impacts both right and left constituents or else it will be meaningless.

    The longer we wait the harder the impact will be. There is always a reason why now is not the right time.

    Not sure or form of representative government will allow us to elect people willing to fix the structural problems in the U.S.

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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    I guess what I am trying to say is that the problem is bigger than just saying the other person has to deal with it. This is going to take tax increases and spending cuts that are very broad and impacts both right and left constituents or else it will be meaningless.
    Indeed! Except Republicans have made it quite clear that any tax increase whatsoever will be completely unacceptable. They have offered at MOST extremely vague and wishy-washy proposals for cutting spending (or proposals they have no chance in hell of implementing; I'm looking at you "Abolish the Department of Education" people).

    That's why politicians invented the term "government waste." So you never actually have to take a POSITION on anything. It's easier to campaign on "cutting waste" than "cutting Program X, Y, Z" because you don't have to deal with people who like Program X, Y, Z. It's also a great term because there's no way to hold someone accountable since you never have to articulate what your goal is.

    You're 100% correct. There are three ways to attack the National Debt:

    1. Raise Taxes to raise revenue.
    2. Cut spending to lower costs.
    3. Balance the budget and let the debt inflate away.


    Anybody who thinks we can solve the problem with a "one prong" approach is simply deluded.

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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    tax cuts meant we who pay them have more money-that does PLENTY FOR US TAX PAYERS

    if you constantly want to increase taxes on a minority that already pays most of the federal income tax
    So FICA which brings in nearly the same amount doesn't count to you? You have this real big hang up on only income tax to the point you went out of your way to pretend Lord T's post showing the breakdown of taxes where FICA was a few hundred billion short of Income simply did not exist. This suggests you have no use for honest debate as you keep pretending that only income tax exists and that all other taxes aside from the estate simply do not matter despite their large staggering effects upon the budget.

    there will NEVER EVER be an incentive for the majority who don't get taxed more to ever vote for decreased spending.
    As will there never been an incentive for the minority who gets special privileges and subsidies to vote for decreasing spending. Pretending that doesn't exist too eh? What a simple life. Only the things that negatively effect me are bad and that all of the good things on the same plate that I complain about aren't there. Despite me getting benefits. Honest, you are not.

    Dem politicians get power by using the money of the rich to buy the votes of the many.
    And GOP does the same thing. Or were you sleeping during the all GOP years?

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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    So FICA which brings in nearly the same amount doesn't count to you? You have this real big hang up on only income tax to the point you went out of your way to pretend Lord T's post showing the breakdown of taxes where FICA was a few hundred billion short of Income simply did not exist. This suggests you have no use for honest debate as you keep pretending that only income tax exists and that all other taxes aside from the estate simply do not matter despite their large staggering effects upon the budget.



    As will there never been an incentive for the minority who gets special privileges and subsidies to vote for decreasing spending. Pretending that doesn't exist too eh? What a simple life. Only the things that negatively effect me are bad and that all of the good things on the same plate that I complain about aren't there. Despite me getting benefits. Honest, you are not.



    And GOP does the same thing. Or were you sleeping during the all GOP years?

    Some of us have memory superior to that of Goldfish. Some do not.
    Gee, I always thought that payroll taxes were SS taxes and that "contributions" to SS would lead to benefits when the individual retired. Didn't know that was the same affect as income taxes. Who would have thought it? Wonder if those calling for a payroll tax cut are also calling for a SS benefit cut when those people retire? Comparisons between both taxes seem to be quite inappropriate but as OC would say what do I know?

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    Re: Dem vs Rep Tax Cut Plan in Graph form!

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberhwk View Post
    Indeed! Except Republicans have made it quite clear that any tax increase whatsoever will be completely unacceptable. They have offered at MOST extremely vague and wishy-washy proposals for cutting spending (or proposals they have no chance in hell of implementing; I'm looking at you "Abolish the Department of Education" people).

    That's why politicians invented the term "government waste." So you never actually have to take a POSITION on anything. It's easier to campaign on "cutting waste" than "cutting Program X, Y, Z" because you don't have to deal with people who like Program X, Y, Z. It's also a great term because there's no way to hold someone accountable since you never have to articulate what your goal is.

    You're 100% correct. There are three ways to attack the National Debt:

    1. Raise Taxes to raise revenue.
    2. Cut spending to lower costs.
    3. Balance the budget and let the debt inflate away.


    Anybody who thinks we can solve the problem with a "one prong" approach is simply deluded.
    If you have been following my posts you would know that I am against any tax increases and especially now with 16 million unemployed Americans. I don't see how any tax increase will put these people back to work and how tax increases positively affect our consumer driven economy? Unless we are at full employment or close to it, I have never seen a tax increase grow govt. revenue. My concern continues to be the politicians in D.C. that have an appetite for spending so the more money they get the more they spend so even if a tax increase generates more money fiscal discipline is required to put any additional revenue to debt reduction. Right now the best way to grow revenue is to increase the number of tax payers by growing demand and that can only be done through tax cuts.

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