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    Re: Reagan Insider on how the GOP, and Dems Destroyed the U.S. Economy

    Dude, you're recycling a line that was old before you were born.
    There is at least 2 or 3 Republicans on here that seem to have their head on straight. My grandfather was a republican in South Carolina, incredibly conservative man that ran for state senate twice before. The guy would go quail hunting out with Strom Thrumond and talk him out of some positions that a lot of people are starting to have now because they made no sense. He championed things like science and education, was completely for having a strong military but even during the first gulf war thought it was either al in or nothing at all and well, Bush Sr. did neither.

    My grandfather was for fiscal responsbility but not at the disadvantage of the disadvantaged. He would come from the tax office, or from farming everyday, sit at the bar in the kitchen, and turn on his little TV and for hours watch nothing but CNN, MSNBC, and Fox news back and forth. He got a car phone for his truck when I was younger JUST so he could call in to political radio shows and tell them what they are saying and doing wrong on the radio, and of course he listened to nothing but Rush Limbaugh and other conservative radio. They knew it was him before he even said who it was. This was a man that was all about maintaining how the party should be not about what it had become.

    I often wonder what my grandfather would say or do if he saw the way Republicans were today if he hadn't passed away. Up until about the time I was 21 I identified myself as a Republican, but their rhetoric has trumped actual ideas in the past few years, and I can't align myself with something that is more about tearing down everything around them than actual helping their fellow man.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: Reagan Insider on how the GOP, and Dems Destroyed the U.S. Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    There is at least 2 or 3 Republicans on here that seem to have their head on straight. My grandfather was a republican in South Carolina, incredibly conservative man that ran for state senate twice before. The guy would go quail hunting out with Strom Thrumond and talk him out of some positions that a lot of people are starting to have now because they made no sense. He championed things like science and education, was completely for having a strong military but even during the first gulf war thought it was either al in or nothing at all and well, Bush Sr. did neither.

    My grandfather was for fiscal responsbility but not at the disadvantage of the disadvantaged. He would come from the tax office, or from farming everyday, sit at the bar in the kitchen, and turn on his little TV and for hours watch nothing but CNN, MSNBC, and Fox news back and forth. He got a car phone for his truck when I was younger JUST so he could call in to political radio shows and tell them what they are saying and doing wrong on the radio, and of course he listened to nothing but Rush Limbaugh and other conservative radio. They knew it was him before he even said who it was. This was a man that was all about maintaining how the party should be not about what it had become.

    I often wonder what my grandfather would say or do if he saw the way Republicans were today if he hadn't passed away. Up until about the time I was 21 I identified myself as a Republican, but their rhetoric has trumped actual ideas in the past few years, and I can't align myself with something that is more about tearing down everything around them than actual helping their fellow man.
    So who do you align yourself with and why? Your grandfather sounded like a very good man. It really is a problem when you are given the choices we have been given over the past couple decades. Clinton vs. GHW Bush, Clinton vs. Dole, Bush vs. Gore, Bush vs. Kerry, McCain vs. Obama? Frustrating choices so left with those choices and not having that perfect candidate, I voted for the party closest to my point of view and in all cases it was the Republican Party although the candidates weren't my choice. They just beat the alternative

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    Re: Reagan Insider on how the GOP, and Dems Destroyed the U.S. Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    He lost me right here.



    What was the debt when Dems took over Congress? $8,506,973,899,215.23 So in 4 years the Dems doubled the national debt, yet this ass blames the Republicans?
    I blame them both. Period.

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    Re: Reagan Insider on how the GOP, and Dems Destroyed the U.S. Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    It will be so.
    I guess you're right, but do you have to sound so damned proud about the Republicans abdicating their role as the fiscally conservative party? To paraphrase George Carlin, if you set out to fail and you succeed, what exactly do you think you've accomplished?

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    Re: Reagan Insider on how the GOP, and Dems Destroyed the U.S. Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by Befuddled_Stoner View Post
    I guess you're right, but do you have to sound so damned proud about the Republicans abdicating their role as the fiscally conservative party?
    Where do you get that idea?
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    Re: Reagan Insider on how the GOP, and Dems Destroyed the U.S. Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    The linked article in the OP speaks of the exact issues I've discussed with my friends, neighbors, family and coworkers since before the 2008 Presidential primaries began. Tax cuts, for example, may stimulate the economy but they don't pay for themselves - never have and never will - and they should never be allowed to remain in place for so long across the economic spectrum particularly when one side of the tax bracket receives a much larger break than another for as long as they've been allowed and used as a replacement for the overall tax base. Those who believe in this form of "taxation" would have one believe that as long as people are working the government will generate revenue. While this may be true to an extent, the problem is that the so-called revenue is being spent faster than it can be generated. And while Republican are saying "the deficit is out of control," which one of them is willing to cut any portion of the social or government programs they claim are increasing the national debt at such historic levels?
    You are correct tax breaks will never pay for themselves and do not stimulate job growth either.
    The following graphs show the failure of supply side economics. Which GHWB dubbed Voodoo economics when he was fighting for the nomination against Reagan.



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    Re: Reagan Insider on how the GOP, and Dems Destroyed the U.S. Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    You are correct tax breaks will never pay for themselves and do not stimulate job growth either.
    The following graphs show the failure of supply side economics. Which GHWB dubbed Voodoo economics when he was fighting for the nomination against Reagan.

    Using this logic, which I have no problem with. Why not abolish ALL of the Bush tax cuts and save 2 trillion we don't have.

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    Re: Reagan Insider on how the GOP, and Dems Destroyed the U.S. Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Using this logic, which I have no problem with. Why not abolish ALL of the Bush tax cuts and save 2 trillion we don't have.
    Couple reasons. First of all, Conservatives are correct in that raising taxes during a recession is not a good idea. Trying to balance the budget (specifically in 1937) probably extended the Great Depression longer than it should have been. Spending is the fuel that runs the economy and money paying down debt is money NOT being spent (the reason we went with smaller tax cuts this time instead of $600 checks like last time). So maybe abolishing them all may be a good idea, but just not NOW.

    Second, there's question on whether or not adding additonal taxes, or taking away existing taxes have the same effect. Mathematically, sure, but humans don't always act as mathematical models would suggest.

    Three, politics (I know, big surprise, huh?). It's easy to raise taxes on a small amount of rich people that weren't going to vote for you anyway than raise taxes on the entire population that will. In fact it's even POPULAR!

    Quote Originally Posted by http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62S44B20100329?feedType=RSS&feedName=domest icNews
    The Quinnipiac University poll found that 60 percent of Americans among both major political parties think raising income taxes on households making more than $250,000 should be a main tenet of the government's efforts to tame the deficit. More than 70 percent, including a majority of Republicans, say those making more than $1 million should pay more.

    But 80 percent say raising taxes on those making less than that should not be part of the government's approach. Moreover, most oppose touching Medicare and Social Security - two long-term drivers of the budget deficit over the coming decades.

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    Re: Reagan Insider on how the GOP, and Dems Destroyed the U.S. Economy

    Funny.. this so called Reagan insider forgot something... Reagan started the problem....
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    Re: Reagan Insider on how the GOP, and Dems Destroyed the U.S. Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Where do you get that idea?
    The topic is Republicans’ lack of fiscal conservativism. You said liberals will always complain that republicans/conservatives fall short of yesterday’s standards. I said I hoped we wouldn’t, but I feared that we will would. You said my fears would be so, that liberals would always have reason to think modern conservatives suck compared to yesterday’s.



    Is it wrong for me to desire a conservative party that is staunchly fiscal conservative and willing to rein in liberal excess? I lament how Republicans have gone from fiscal conservative/social conservative to fiscal liberal/social conservative. Without a party diametrically opposed to the Democrats fiscal liberal/social liberal views, we’ve lost equilibrium and have drifted into massive, unsustainable debt. The entire process has accomplished very little aside from letting the special interests of both parties glut themselves on our future prosperity, and the future is incipient.

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