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    Teachers unions cash in at expense of food stamp recipients

    The Senate last week passed their own version of the bill, which cuts $12 billion beginning in 2014 from the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance, or “food stamps,” program
    to help make the measure deficit neutral. Anti-hunger advocates and conservatives alike decried the move.

    “We’re taking money from feeding poor kids so middle class teachers don’t have to look for jobs,” said Frederick M. Hess, director of the Education Policy Studies at the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think tank.

    The bill has spawned criticism from poverty issue advocates as well, who have voiced dissent over the depletion of funding for the food stamp program.
    Where to begin? This is one of the reasons why entitlement programs should be killed at the federal level and left up to the states to decide. In addition this is why Unions should be left only to the private sector, if you dont like being on the public dime then join the private sector like the rest of us.

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    Re: Teachers unions cash in at expense of food stamp recipients

    I don't have a problem with public service unions.

    I have a problem with the weak-willed politicians who suck up to them and the idiotic electorate that keeps sending them back to the capitol.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Teachers unions cash in at expense of food stamp recipients

    nancy got it right:
    “Why wouldn’t House Republicans want to keep 310,000 teachers, first responders and private sector workers on the job instead of on the unemployment lines?” Democratic House Speaker Rep. Nancy Pelosi said in a statement.
    but prove her wrong and tell us why it is a good idea to not have teachers in the class rooms, firemen on their watch, and police on the beat
    i look forward to your reply
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    Re: Teachers unions cash in at expense of food stamp recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    nancy got it right:

    but prove her wrong and tell us why it is a good idea to not have teachers in the class rooms, firemen on their watch, and police on the beat
    i look forward to your reply
    Sounds like someone is trying to over simplfy something again. Budgets always require choices.

    BTW, how do we know it is a union cashing in? Is there ever any possibility that this is just good policy and not a pay off? Or even a bad idea, but not a pay off?

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    Re: Teachers unions cash in at expense of food stamp recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    nancy got it right:

    but prove her wrong and tell us why it is a good idea to not have teachers in the class rooms, firemen on their watch, and police on the beat
    i look forward to your reply
    Oh, yes, the sacred cow approach. Their salaries are out of hand. Their pensions are out of hand. Their administrative costs are out of hand. Time these workers lived like the rest of us. (I blame the bureaucrats and politicians for their being out of hand. But out of hand they are.
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    Re: Teachers unions cash in at expense of food stamp recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Oh, yes, the sacred cow approach. Their salaries are out of hand. Their pensions are out of hand. Their administrative costs are out of hand. Time these workers lived like the rest of us. (I blame the bureaucrats and politicians for their being out of hand. But out of hand they are.
    Saleries are out of hand? Explain.

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    Re: Teachers unions cash in at expense of food stamp recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Saleries are out of hand? Explain.
    Prefer to start w/pensions.

    Pensions in the public sector are far different from the private sector. While most private sector pensions are "defined contribution," the public sector uses "defined benefit."

    As an example, a teacher's retirement in Illinois is figured at 75% of the average of their last four year's salaries, after 33 years' service, at least age 55. The Chicago Tribune just did a Watchdog piece on teacher salaries/retirement benefits. Here's one glaring pension example:

    Illinois teacher salaries: Some educators in suburban Chicago earning more than $100,000 - chicagotribune.com

    Here he is identified:

    Name Deleted -- You'll find it here: Illinois Pension Database :: Latest News :: PIONEER PRESS ::
    School District--DuPage HSD 88
    Salary at Retirement--$186,464.86
    Retirement Date--7/1/2003
    Age at Retirement--56
    Early Retirement Incentive? No
    Annual Pension--$138,871.68

    What job in the private sector pays a pension like this? Members can retire at age 60 with 10 years of service and receive benefits that the member has earned. For example, ten years of service multiplied by 2.2% equals 22% of the final average salary. Senate Bill 1946 Teachers contribute 2% more of their salaries into their retirement program than Social Security recipients.

    Teacher pension funds are under water throughout the country -- seriously underwater -- because of the onerously generous benefits guaranteed to them under state law. Our politicians sold us out. To meet the ridiculous promises made to these public sector employees made by politicians, state pension funds are investing in ever-more risky investment vehicles. A risky investment strategy is defined as investment in other than fixed income or cash. The top 25 riskiest public pension funds hold over 75% of their assets in these vehicles. Risky Business: Pension Funds With Less Than Conservative Asset Allocations : NPR Don't take my word for it. Google around for your own state. You'll see it.

    Just plain old municipal pensions?

    These pensions have the average working man drooling in envy. All at taxpayer expense. And each and every one of them are unsustainable. Add the deflation risk to the mix, and, well, hold onto your hat.
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    Re: Teachers unions cash in at expense of food stamp recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Prefer to start w/pensions.

    Pensions in the public sector are far different from the private sector. While most private sector pensions are "defined contribution," the public sector uses "defined benefit."

    As an example, a teacher's retirement in Illinois is figured at 75% of the average of their last four year's salaries, after 33 years' service, at least age 55. The Chicago Tribune just did a Watchdog piece on teacher salaries/retirement benefits. Here's one glaring pension example:

    Illinois teacher salaries: Some educators in suburban Chicago earning more than $100,000 - chicagotribune.com

    Here he is identified:

    Name Deleted -- You'll find it here: Illinois Pension Database :: Latest News :: PIONEER PRESS ::
    School District--DuPage HSD 88
    Salary at Retirement--$186,464.86
    Retirement Date--7/1/2003
    Age at Retirement--56
    Early Retirement Incentive? No
    Annual Pension--$138,871.68

    What job in the private sector pays a pension like this? Members can retire at age 60 with 10 years of service and receive benefits that the member has earned. For example, ten years of service multiplied by 2.2% equals 22% of the final average salary. Senate Bill 1946 Teachers contribute 2% more of their salaries into their retirement program than Social Security recipients.

    Teacher pension funds are under water throughout the country -- seriously underwater -- because of the onerously generous benefits guaranteed to them under state law. Our politicians sold us out. To meet the ridiculous promises made to these public sector employees made by politicians, state pension funds are investing in ever-more risky investment vehicles. A risky investment strategy is defined as investment in other than fixed income or cash. The top 25 riskiest public pension funds hold over 75% of their assets in these vehicles. Risky Business: Pension Funds With Less Than Conservative Asset Allocations : NPR Don't take my word for it. Google around for your own state. You'll see it.

    Just plain old municipal pensions?

    These pensions have the average working man drooling in envy. All at taxpayer expense. And each and every one of them are unsustainable. Add the deflation risk to the mix, and, well, hold onto your hat.
    You're making a great argument for a union!!!! But, from your article:

    Six-figure teacher salaries of that magnitude are rare elsewhere in Illinois and in most parts of the country.
    You might look at this:

    Teacher Salaries by State

    And this:

    Average teacher pension is $40,000

    Daily Herald | Average teacher pension is $40,000

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    Re: Teachers unions cash in at expense of food stamp recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    nancy got it right:

    but prove her wrong and tell us why it is a good idea to not have teachers in the class rooms, firemen on their watch, and police on the beat
    i look forward to your reply
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    Re: Teachers unions cash in at expense of food stamp recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    They need to feel the effects of reality, like the rest of us have had to deal with.
    Teachers, fireman and police don't feel the effects of reality? Seriously?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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