Page 5 of 5 FirstFirst ... 345
Results 41 to 48 of 48

Thread: Teachers unions cash in at expense of food stamp recipients

  1. #41
    Sage
    Harry Guerrilla's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Not affiliated with other libertarians.
    Last Seen
    09-01-17 @ 02:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    28,955

    Re: Teachers unions cash in at expense of food stamp recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't baby sit. But the effects are real all the same.
    That may not be your intent and I'm not scolding you on this issue but a vast majority of parents consider it as such.
    I haven't been completely fair in heaping all the criticism on teachers, for the poor results that exist.
    A lot of it is parents, I will concede that point.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
    —Adam Shepard

  2. #42
    Sage
    Boo Radley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Last Seen
    11-22-17 @ 04:22 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    36,858

    Re: Teachers unions cash in at expense of food stamp recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Compared to other states, your pension fund isn't doing too badly. Public pension funds across the nation are allll bleeding red ink. Actually, I must admit that it looks as though your state's got it a whole lot more right than Illinois. I plugged in $73K and $45K/annual and that you were retiring September 1st, single not married -- pension benefit around $1900/month. This is a far cry from Illinois pensions for teachers. In yours and my case, I think we're talking apples and oranges.
    Well, nationally is what we need to look at. But I think you're doing that even in your state. It seems to me you're looking at the minority and not the majority.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

  3. #43
    Sage
    Boo Radley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Last Seen
    11-22-17 @ 04:22 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    36,858

    Re: Teachers unions cash in at expense of food stamp recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That may not be your intent and I'm not scolding you on this issue but a vast majority of parents consider it as such.
    I haven't been completely fair in heaping all the criticism on teachers, for the poor results that exist.
    A lot of it is parents, I will concede that point.
    They may. Especially k-12. But many teachers fight that.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

  4. #44
    Sage
    Harry Guerrilla's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Not affiliated with other libertarians.
    Last Seen
    09-01-17 @ 02:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    28,955

    Re: Teachers unions cash in at expense of food stamp recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    They may. Especially k-12. But many teachers fight that.
    Of course, I know you'd rather have parents attend parent-teacher conferences.
    To have them involved.

    You may think I'm trying to be a dick but states have to get their budgets in order.
    Some people have to be laid off, it sucks but that is the way things have to work sometimes.

    I don't think the feds should do this, it sets a bad example and lets states get away with imprudent fiscal policy.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
    —Adam Shepard

  5. #45
    Sage


    MaggieD's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Chicago Area
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    43,243
    Blog Entries
    43

    Re: Teachers unions cash in at expense of food stamp recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Well, nationally is what we need to look at. But I think you're doing that even in your state. It seems to me you're looking at the minority and not the majority.
    We are doing it in Illinois, but not enough. We have a two-tiered system -- those hired after a certain date don't get the same bennies as those hired before the date. It's possible. Perhaps when I discuss this I should clarify that I'm talking about Illinois. Or else do some more homework before I apply it across the board. Certainly Iowa looks reasonable. Are they the exception? Don't know.
    The devil whispered in my ear, "You cannot withstand the storm." I whispered back, "I am ​the storm."

  6. #46
    long standing member
    justabubba's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:21 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    36,129

    Re: Teachers unions cash in at expense of food stamp recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yep, they shouldn't be involved.
    ok, you are saying the federal government should not provide assistance to the states to ensure we have adequate fire and police protection and public schooling
    bubba's post but you now insist you are OK with the public sector being responsible for fire, policing and education
    I didn't say it was wrong before.
    There you go making things up.
    but notice how your answers fail to reconcile ... like someone who speaks out of both sides of their mouth
    on one hand, you express your opposition to the federal assistance to enable fire and police protection and public education to be made adequate for our citizens, while you simultaneously say you are for the fire/police protection and public education being provided
    it is anticipated that you will lay the responsibility for this upon the ineffective teaching of math skills while you were in school - but your responses do not add up
    I don't know man, it seems that you have a reading comprehension problem or your being intentionally dishonest.
    then, by all means, point out where i am reading it wrong. but if you are unable to do so, then we must conclude that you either have no idea about your disconnected opinions or you are unable to articulate them so that they no longer appear to be contradictory. so, take a stab at it and show us that you have reconcilable opinions on this topic
    I see, that lately, you've been trying to approach topics from an intellectual perspective.
    You're going to have to beef it up a bit.
    garbage in > garbage out. give me something to work with, recognizing that we are discussing your opinions here
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

  7. #47
    Sage
    Boo Radley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Last Seen
    11-22-17 @ 04:22 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    36,858

    Re: Teachers unions cash in at expense of food stamp recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    We are doing it in Illinois, but not enough. We have a two-tiered system -- those hired after a certain date don't get the same bennies as those hired before the date. It's possible. Perhaps when I discuss this I should clarify that I'm talking about Illinois. Or else do some more homework before I apply it across the board. Certainly Iowa looks reasonable. Are they the exception? Don't know.
    Neither do I. I'm familiar with Iowa. I had nothing in Mississippi. Private school.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

  8. #48
    Sage
    Harry Guerrilla's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Not affiliated with other libertarians.
    Last Seen
    09-01-17 @ 02:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    28,955

    Re: Teachers unions cash in at expense of food stamp recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    ok, you are saying the federal government should not provide assistance to the states to ensure we have adequate fire and police protection and public schooling

    but notice how your answers fail to reconcile ... like someone who speaks out of both sides of their mouth
    on one hand, you express your opposition to the federal assistance to enable fire and police protection and public education to be made adequate for our citizens, while you simultaneously say you are for the fire/police protection and public education being provided
    States, counties and cities are three other layers of government.
    They are the people who should be managing these services.

    Not the fed, all the way back in Washington, that may or may not have any idea what the hell the individual budget of these particular areas are working with.

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    it is anticipated that you will lay the responsibility for this upon the ineffective teaching of math skills while you were in school - but your responses do not add up
    then, by all means, point out where i am reading it wrong. but if you are unable to do so, then we must conclude that you either have no idea about your disconnected opinions or you are unable to articulate them so that they no longer appear to be contradictory. so, take a stab at it and show us that you have reconcilable opinions on this topic
    Took care of it above.

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    garbage in > garbage out. give me something to work with, recognizing that we are discussing your opinions here
    I'm quite aware.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
    —Adam Shepard

Page 5 of 5 FirstFirst ... 345

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •