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    Re: Teachers unions cash in at expense of food stamp recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You're making a great argument for a union!!!!
    No, I'm making a great argument to my original post that teacher pensions are out of line. You dismiss it quite readily.

    You might look at this:

    Teacher Salaries by State
    These figures are inaccurate. And I'll tell you why. Most school districts post 'salary information' without accounting for longevity. It's actually quite a well-guarded secret...for a very good reason.

    And this:

    Average teacher pension is $40,000

    Daily Herald | Average teacher pension is $40,000
    This is a letter to the editor. Care to post a better link? You only have to use mine, plug in a school district and select "show all" to see that it's not true.
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    Re: Teachers unions cash in at expense of food stamp recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    No, I'm making a great argument to my original post that teacher pensions are out of line. You dismiss it quite readily.
    An average of 40,000 doesn't seem out of line to me. And that is with a few rather large ones pushing up the average. This means most do on less than 40,000.

    These figures are inaccurate. And I'll tell you why. Most school districts post 'salary information' without accounting for longevity. It's actually quite a well-guarded secret...for a very good reason.
    Or, you are simply mistaken. I work in the field, and few make the kind of money you're talking about.



    This is a letter to the editor. Care to post a better link? You only have to use mine, plug in a school district and select "show all" to see that it's not true.
    Yes, it is a letter to the editor, and I am looking for a better lnk.

    Teach kids and your average pension is $40K a year. Ruin the Gulf of Mexico and you get a pension of a million bucks a year. Fred Klonsky's blog

    I currently have 73,000 dollars total in my pension package. That's not a yearly salary, but what will be divided up to pay me yearly. This covers Ten years working at a state hospital and 15 years working as an educator. I won't meet the 40,000 a year average.

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    Re: Teachers unions cash in at expense of food stamp recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    An average of 40,000 doesn't seem out of line to me. And that is with a few rather large ones pushing up the average. This means most do on less than 40,000.
    $40,000 as an average isn't an accurate picture. It's just a base salary without accounting for the fact that 3 months of the year they are off. Add to the the compensation for meeting continuing ed requirements, matched pension, coaching and student group sponsoring, etc and you get a great deal more than 40k a year on average.

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    Re: Teachers unions cash in at expense of food stamp recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    $40,000 as an average isn't an accurate picture. It's just a base salary without accounting for the fact that 3 months of the year they are off. Add to the the compensation for meeting continuing ed requirements, matched pension, coaching and student group sponsoring, etc and you get a great deal more than 40k a year on average.
    Few are actually off during those three months. I know I have never been. Not only that, many put out their own money for supplies and continuing education. Yes, there is often some compensation, but not enough to make all things equal. my compensation is no more than another 5,000 each year. Again, not something to match her claim, or equal to hours I work not compensated.

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    Re: Teachers unions cash in at expense of food stamp recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Few are actually off during those three months. I know I have never been. Not only that, many put out their own money for supplies and continuing education. Yes, there is often some compensation, but not enough to make all things equal. my compensation is no more than another 5,000 each year. Again, not something to match her claim, or equal to hours I work not compensated.
    Welcome to the real world. We all work hours that are not compensated whether it be putting the finishing touches on a proposal or dumping red ink all over some student's spelling test. It's just the nature of being an adult and having a real world job.

    And I have never heard of a teacher having to pay for their own continuing education requirements. In the newsletters the teacher's union I contracted for put out, it was pretty much across the board that continuing education only increased their salaries every year.

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    Re: Teachers unions cash in at expense of food stamp recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    An average of 40,000 doesn't seem out of line to me. And that is with a few rather large ones pushing up the average. This means most do on less than 40,000.
    Grabbing a letter to the editor and saying, "It doesn't seem out of line to me," doesn't cut it. In fact, your other link puts the average into the $50K's. I didn't bother to post that, but will now. Letters to the Editor are a poor way to prove anything.

    Or, you are simply mistaken. I work in the field, and few make the kind of money you're talking about.
    No, I'm not mistaken. Illinois has a Watchdog group that extrapolates data right from the school's website and posts names/positions/salaries/degrees. That information is very different from the "official report" and is fully verified and accepted as truth.

    Teach kids and your average pension is $40K a year. Ruin the Gulf of Mexico and you get a pension of a million bucks a year. Fred Klonsky's blog

    This is a blog or somesuch written by "preaprez." Not credible.

    I currently have 73,000 dollars total in my pension package. That's not a yearly salary, but what will be divided up to pay me yearly. This covers Ten years working at a state hospital and 15 years working as an educator. I won't meet the 40,000 a year average.
    I don't understand what you mean by this. $73K in your pension? If that's all that's divided up to pay you yearly, something is wrong. There should be an online link to your pension calculator. Send me there. (With no personal information. That's not what I mean.)
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    Re: Teachers unions cash in at expense of food stamp recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Few are actually off during those three months. I know I have never been. Not only that, many put out their own money for supplies and continuing education. Yes, there is often some compensation, but not enough to make all things equal. my compensation is no more than another 5,000 each year. Again, not something to match her claim, or equal to hours I work not compensated.
    No, you're not laid off for those months. You're picking up extra money for elective work. Also, by the way, not included in posted teacher salaries.

    I'm not claiming anything. The link is right there. The Chicago Tribune article is right there. These aren't "idle claims."
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    Re: Teachers unions cash in at expense of food stamp recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    They need to feel the effects of reality, like the rest of us have had to deal with.
    the 'misery loves company' reply of the envious
    so, having insufficient teachers to educate the next generation in a globally competitive environment is ok with you
    as is not having enough firemen on call to respond to those emergencies
    and since no one worries about crime during an economic downturn, in your estimation, eliminating a sizable portion of the police force is an excellent idea
    ready - post - think ... not the correct order to express oneself and still be found credible
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Teachers unions cash in at expense of food stamp recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    the 'misery loves company' reply of the envious
    so, having insufficient teachers to educate the next generation in a globally competitive environment is ok with you
    as is not having enough firemen on call to respond to those emergencies
    and since no one worries about crime during an economic downturn, in your estimation, eliminating a sizable portion of the police force is an excellent idea
    ready - post - think ... not the correct order to express oneself and still be found credible
    Here comes the sacred cow again.
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    Re: Teachers unions cash in at expense of food stamp recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    No, you're not laid off for those months. You're picking up extra money for elective work. Also, by the way, not included in posted teacher salaries.

    I'm not claiming anything. The link is right there. The Chicago Tribune article is right there. These aren't "idle claims."
    Little about it is eelective. And I pointed out in your article that what you quote is not the majority, the norm, the average, including any not ****ed income. You are claiming teacher saleries are out of control based on a very small (I think your artile said 4%) minority of tachers in one small area. Can't you see the flaw in what you're arguing?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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