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    Ted Olson: Same-sex marriage is a conservative value

    The attorney at the center of successfully arguing that California's Proposition 8 is unconstitutional calls Judge Vaughn Walker's ruling an example of "judicial responsibility."

    Ted Olson told Fox News' Chris Wallace Sunday that it's not "judicial activism" when a judge follows the Constitution.
    And you know what? Olsen is 100% correct. Conservatism argues for limited government, and greater individual freedom.

    Now, I know that a few in here are going to go off on a tirade and start calling me a fake Conservative again, so let me pose the following question: Which is more Conservative? That the government should get off the backs of the people, or that the government should get off the backs of the people, except where it should be on the backs of the people in cases where I don't agree with something? Think about it. Many who claim to be Conservatives simply are not who they say they are. And, of course, they are always the first to accuse others of not being Conservative. You can say "He who smelt it dealt it".

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    BTW, before you call Ted Olsen a fake Conservative, you should know that he is the one who successfully argued before the Supreme Court the Bush side of Bush v. Gore in 2000. His Conservative credentials are beyond question. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

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    Re: Ted Olson: Same-sex marriage is a conservative value

    100% correct.

    I've made this exact point in every single gay marriage thread that I'm aware of.

    I actually rather like some facets of conservatism, just not the ones that attempt to discriminate and sets up "family values councils" to spread hateful. Propoganda about a group of people they don't agree with.

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    Re: Ted Olson: Same-sex marriage is a conservative value

    Actually the word "conserve" in the term conservative has to do with a person's attitudes towards social conventions and institutions. What a conservative wishes to conserve is social order, that above social justice, so by very description a conservative would support the status quo of defining marriage as it has long been defined. It is the desire for social justice - -a liberal trait -- that seeks to end the discrimination against gay people.
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    Your such a commie
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    Re: Ted Olson: Same-sex marriage is a conservative value

    No, gay marriage is not a conservative value. Conservatives believe in certain values--one of them is the traditional family. That family is comprised of a man, a woman, and typically several kids. Saying that two men or two women can get married, adopt a few kids and have that same family is an affront to conservative values.

    By the way, we don't want to deprive gays of any rights. We want gays to have the same marriage rights as anyone else--namely, the right to marry an adult member of the opposite sex.

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    Re: Ted Olson: Same-sex marriage is a conservative value

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Actually the word "conserve" in the term conservative has to do with a person's attitudes towards social conventions and institutions. What a conservative wishes to conserve is social order, that above social justice, so by very description a conservative would support the status quo of defining marriage as it has long been defined. It is the desire for social justice - -a liberal trait -- that seeks to end the discrimination against gay people.

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    Dan is a fake conservative!
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    Re: Ted Olson: Same-sex marriage is a conservative value

    IMO, Ted Olsen looks at conservatism much the same way Barry Goldwater, The Godfather of Conservatism, sees it.

    I long for the day when conservatism is no longer bastardized and splintered by the disgruntled and angry "social conservatives" that are constantly whining and the good name of real conservative's has been restored. But with today's divisive media telling all the dittoheads how to think, I don't see it happening anytime too soon.

    Just an opinion.

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    Re: Ted Olson: Same-sex marriage is a conservative value

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Actually the word "conserve" in the term conservative has to do with a person's attitudes towards social conventions and institutions. What a conservative wishes to conserve is social order, that above social justice, so by very description a conservative would support the status quo of defining marriage as it has long been defined. It is the desire for social justice - -a liberal trait -- that seeks to end the discrimination against gay people.
    That's very profound and well thought out. I value social justice and also want to maintain social order. I think both are required or we will have neither. Theres only one thing we can be sure of and that's change. We, as a species as well as a nation, have been changing since our inception. People have fought that "change" down through the ages and I don't expect there will ever come a time when there aren't people out there fighting the inevitable change. On one extreme you have regressive people that would just as soon take us all back to the 1950's and there are those progressives out there who would project us 100 years ahead, if they only could.

    I think the balance of the two ideologies keeps us on a slow, but steady, adaptable, pace. Notice that, regardless of the regressive efforts of some, we're still changing anyways. And you notice the change is always towards the advancement of individual liberty (a few setbacks during the last 10 years or so notwithstanding.) But I think America is back on track heading towards freedom for all. Man, I just love America. Ain't it great?
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    Re: Ted Olson: Same-sex marriage is a conservative value

    There is more to being a Conservative then just backing Gov't laying off people Dan. But hey, you want to be the number Conservative in the liberal posters eyes... be my guest. I heard you were seen at a Bill White rally...

    Gay Marriage attacks the foundation of the Institution, and that's why the American People, whenever given the chance have rejected it out right. It's taken court cases to pass it. Most Conservatives have no problem with CIVIL UNIONS, because that more accurately identifies the union. But oh no, that's SO EVIL. I'm all for Gays having full legal rights, quit trying to change Marriage to mean Adam and Steve and running through the courts to force that on society. And yes, as soon as Gay Marriage is legalized, Bob will want to marry in too, so it'll be Bob Steve and Adam getting married. Wonder if you'll post a thread saying a TRUE Conservative backs this because it's not the Gov't's place to judge the conduct and love of the citizenry.

    Spare us Dan, you're as Conservative as Arlen Specter or Olympia Snowe. That's why the only people that seem to call you are real conservative are liberals.. they know you're a patsy for their beliefs. This thread is more proof. I don't care how "Conservative" Ted Olsen's creds make him, he can still be WRONG. Newt and Palin could come out in favor of Gay Marriage and I'd say they were both wrong. Until the PEOPLE support changing the definition of Marriage, forcing Gay Marriage through the courts is morally reprehensible. (But denying Civil Unions with full legal bennies is also just as evil).

    Quit trying to push your "Social Values Free" Conservatism as some sort of "Real Conservative" value, it ain't. It's morally devoid of value.
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