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    Re: Let gays begin marrying, Schwarzenegger urges

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    Good for Arnold and I laugh at anybody that thinks CHurches will be forced to marry gays.
    Unfortunately, it was THAT exact argument that swayed a significant portion of voters in California against gay marriage in prop 8. The proposition was passing by double digits until the Mormon church and other right-wing groups inundated the media here with highly deceitful ads claiming that Churches would be forced to marry gays and schools would be forced to teach children that gay marriage is "normal".

    You and I laugh at how ridiculous the arguments are, however, the sad truth is that there are a large number of people out there that are gullible enough to be mislead by the Mormon propoganda
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    Re: Let gays begin marrying, Schwarzenegger urges

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    So Schwarzenegger believes in imposing his morals on everyone and ignoring the voters? Great.
    How is Arnold imposing his morals on anyone? He is simply preventing the right-wing from forcing others to live by THEIR morals. Under Arnold's plan, no one is forced to enter into a gay marriage or to personally "accept" gay marriage. You would still have every right in the world to think it is wrong...and teach your children that it is wrong. No one is trying to prevent that (which WOULD be imposing his morals on you). They are just saying that you don't have a right to expect others to accept your morals as their own.
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    Re: Let gays begin marrying, Schwarzenegger urges

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Unfortunately, it was THAT exact argument that swayed a significant portion of voters in California against gay marriage in prop 8. The proposition was passing by double digits until the Mormon church and other right-wing groups inundated the media here with highly deceitful ads claiming that Churches would be forced to marry gays and schools would be forced to teach children that gay marriage is "normal".

    You and I laugh at how ridiculous the arguments are, however, the sad truth is that there are a large number of people out there that are gullible enough to be mislead by the Mormon propoganda
    Sadly. sadly.

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    Re: Let gays begin marrying, Schwarzenegger urges

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Unfortunately, it was THAT exact argument that swayed a significant portion of voters in California against gay marriage in prop 8. The proposition was passing by double digits until the Mormon church and other right-wing groups inundated the media here with highly deceitful ads claiming that Churches would be forced to marry gays and schools would be forced to teach children that gay marriage is "normal".

    You and I laugh at how ridiculous the arguments are, however, the sad truth is that there are a large number of people out there that are gullible enough to be mislead by the Mormon propoganda
    Its very hard to stop sheep from being sheep I agree, reality can smack them right in the face and they still have no clue what hit them. IMO theres no nice way to put it, anybody that think that gay marriage will magically make the 1st amendment disappear is a moron.
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    Re: Let gays begin marrying, Schwarzenegger urges

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    How is Arnold imposing his morals on anyone? He is simply preventing the right-wing from forcing others to live by THEIR morals. Under Arnold's plan, no one is forced to enter into a gay marriage or to personally "accept" gay marriage. You would still have every right in the world to think it is wrong...and teach your children that it is wrong. No one is trying to prevent that (which WOULD be imposing his morals on you). They are just saying that you don't have a right to expect others to accept your morals as their own.
    exactly what I have said many nmany times but again common sense is wasted on some people and ignored by others

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    Re: Let gays begin marrying, Schwarzenegger urges

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    In this case the voters are wrong, and are imposing THIER morals on everyone.
    And the minority wants to impose their morals on everyone: that homosexuality is acceptable and is marriage. The voters were wrong to elect Obama, but that doesn't mean I can throw him out of office because of that.
    Religious institutions can choose NOT to recognize it for all i care. But a government which is suppose to not discriminate, they must recognize it.
    But a government run by the people and has no existing laws regarding sexuality can define marriage. The government shouldn't discriminate, which is why the beliefs of the voters should not be discriminated against simply because the opposition claims they are wrong.
    It's called liberty, thought you guys liked that?
    We do, we have the liberty to vote and to have our morals put into laws.
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    Re: Let gays begin marrying, Schwarzenegger urges

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    And the minority wants to impose their morals on everyone: that homosexuality is acceptable and is marriage. The voters were wrong to elect Obama, but that doesn't mean I can throw him out of office because of that.

    But a government run by the people and has no existing laws regarding sexuality can define marriage. The government shouldn't discriminate, which is why the beliefs of the voters should not be discriminated against simply because the opposition claims they are wrong.

    We do, we have the liberty to vote and to have our morals put into laws.
    no matter what fantasy world you live in and story you make up, nothing will be imposed on you, you will still get to think Gay marriage is wrong that wont change LMAO JUST LIKE RIGHT NOW

    even though all these marriages exist people still dont believe in them or think they are right or moral
    people still dont believe in interracial marriage
    people still dont believe in non-religious marriage
    people still dont believe in a discrepancy of religion between partners for marriage
    people still dont believe in a discrepancy between wealth for marriage
    people still dont believe in a citizen with a foreigner for marriage
    people still dont believe in a large age discrepancy to be marriage
    etc etc etc

    all these marriages above and many more people still dont BELIEVE in even though they are legal

    so calling it marriage is perfectly fine and how it should be and will have ZERO effect on you in reality, live in it or deny it, your choice LMAO
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    Re: Let gays begin marrying, Schwarzenegger urges

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    And the minority wants to impose their morals on everyone: that homosexuality is acceptable and is marriage. The voters were wrong to elect Obama, but that doesn't mean I can throw him out of office because of that.

    But a government run by the people and has no existing laws regarding sexuality can define marriage. The government shouldn't discriminate, which is why the beliefs of the voters should not be discriminated against simply because the opposition claims they are wrong.

    We do, we have the liberty to vote and to have our morals put into laws.
    They can't impose anything as they are the minority. If you don't want to be gay, don't. No one is making you gay. If you don't want to marry someone of the same sex, don't. No one is forcing you to marry anyone of the same sex. if you don't want to go to such a wedding, don't. Again, you're not forced to. if you personally don't want to recognize them, don't.


    However, the state is different. They are required not to discriminate. You, however, are free to.

    It is a silly argument that anone is imposing anything on you.

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    Re: Let gays begin marrying, Schwarzenegger urges

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    They can't impose anything as they are the minority. If you don't want to be gay, don't. No one is making you gay. If you don't want to marry someone of the same sex, don't. No one is forcing you to marry anyone of the same sex. if you don't want to go to such a wedding, don't. Again, you're not forced to. if you personally don't want to recognize them, don't.


    However, the state is different. They are required not to discriminate. You, however, are free to.

    It is a silly argument that anone is imposing anything on you.
    beyond silly, its down right ludicrous and trollish, its a total abandonment of logic
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    Re: Let gays begin marrying, Schwarzenegger urges

    screw religion, it makes everything so arrogantly complicated.
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