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    Re: Material girl Michelle Obama is a modern-day Marie Antoinette

    This is for the critics who are still complaining about the FLOTUS personal vacations. From the Chicago Sun-Times

    "Michelle Obama adds Spain trip to 2010 vacation schedule"
    By Lynn Sweeton July 27, 2010 9:22 AM

    Since many of you ask when there are stories about presidential vacation travel: Mrs. Obama always flies on a U.S. government plane; she pays personal expenses herself. Her friends are not flying with her. She will travel with "minimal" staff.
    Of course, critics have questioned why so many "private" vacations on "official" business. Well, I don't think the FLOTUS could travel on a private charter plan regardless who how many would rather she did so. Again, her "status" all but requires it. Besides, let's say she did go private, commercial charter plane. Many people who still complain that she's spending tax payer money for a private plane when there's already gov't air transportation provided for the 1st Family...at the taxpayer's expense, of course, but it's how she's suppose to travel in her official public capacity as FLOTUS. She really can't win for losing here.

    As I see it, if most of the things she and her daughter's buys comes from their own purse strings (other than air transportation costs), why should it matter where she goes or when? IT'S HER OWN MONEY for the most part. And let's be honest...

    You [the critics] have all been so supportive of people having the right to go wherever they want if they can afford to do so using their own money. Well, as you've just read when it's a "official/private" venture, she pays her own way for the most part. Other than the air transportation issue which I really don't think she can get away from, where's the problem?

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    Re: Material girl Michelle Obama is a modern-day Marie Antoinette

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    This is for the critics who are still complaining about the FLOTUS personal vacations. From the Chicago Sun-Times

    "Michelle Obama adds Spain trip to 2010 vacation schedule"
    By Lynn Sweeton July 27, 2010 9:22 AM



    Of course, critics have questioned why so many "private" vacations on "official" business. Well, I don't think the FLOTUS could travel on a private charter plan regardless who how many would rather she did so. Again, her "status" all but requires it. Besides, let's say she did go private, commercial charter plane. Many people who still complain that she's spending tax payer money for a private plane when there's already gov't air transportation provided for the 1st Family...at the taxpayer's expense, of course, but it's how she's suppose to travel in her official public capacity as FLOTUS. She really can't win for losing here.

    As I see it, if most of the things she and her daughter's buys comes from their own purse strings (other than air transportation costs), why should it matter where she goes or when? IT'S HER OWN MONEY for the most part. And let's be honest...

    You [the critics] have all been so supportive of people having the right to go wherever they want if they can afford to do so using their own money. Well, as you've just read when it's a "official/private" venture, she pays her own way for the most part. Other than the air transportation issue which I really don't think she can get away from, where's the problem?
    If she is on official business then she should fly on US government transportation. If she is on a personal vacation she should either fly commercial and pay all expenses or if that isn't possible for security reasons, she should pay all costs of government transportation out of her own pocket..... that goes for Barry too.
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: Material girl Michelle Obama is a modern-day Marie Antoinette

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    If she is on official business then she should fly on US government transportation. If she is on a personal vacation she should either fly commercial and pay all expenses or if that isn't possible for security reasons, she should pay all costs of government transportation out of her own pocket..... that goes for Barry too.
    You don't even have a clue how the secret service works do you?

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    Re: Material girl Michelle Obama is a modern-day Marie Antoinette

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    You don't even have a clue how the secret service works do you?
    Do you mean like they provide protection?

    Can you say "they can still provide said protection if Michelle and Barry are paying for it out of their own pockets while on a personal vacation"?
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: Material girl Michelle Obama is a modern-day Marie Antoinette

    Crunch,

    I'd agree with you if I were 100% sure our President (whether you like the man or not) and his family could be adequately protected using commercial transportation, but they can't. You folks seem to think "personal protection" measures are all that's required, but you forget about security in the air, i.e., a plane being hijacked or shot down. No commercial plane can do what AF1 and other secure U.S. aircraft can do that have been outfitted to protect the President and the 1st Family in that regard. Plus, if her security details is telling her - insisting! - that she can't travel via commerical air, what choice does she really have regardless of the reasons why she's traveling abroad?

    So, while I agree with you in theory on this matter, it's just not practical when you look at the security measures as a whole that are required to keep the President and the 1st Family safe.

    Sidenote: I realize we're in a different time and the circumstances of the day are different than they were just two short years ago, but I don't recall hearing this much criticism whenever Laura Bush travelled. Of course, the focus wasn't on rich -vs- poor (middle-class), jobs, the economy, etc., etc., and as such, I don't think the FLOTUS' travel itinerary made the evening news in much the same way as it apparently does today. Still, I wonder how many anti-Bush critics were this uptight when Laura Bush travelled domestically or abroad?
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 08-08-10 at 05:17 PM.

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    Re: Material girl Michelle Obama is a modern-day Marie Antoinette

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    This is for the critics who are still complaining about the FLOTUS personal vacations. From the Chicago Sun-Times

    "Michelle Obama adds Spain trip to 2010 vacation schedule"
    By Lynn Sweeton July 27, 2010 9:22 AM



    Of course, critics have questioned why so many "private" vacations on "official" business. Well, I don't think the FLOTUS could travel on a private charter plan regardless who how many would rather she did so. Again, her "status" all but requires it. Besides, let's say she did go private, commercial charter plane. Many people who still complain that she's spending tax payer money for a private plane when there's already gov't air transportation provided for the 1st Family...at the taxpayer's expense, of course, but it's how she's suppose to travel in her official public capacity as FLOTUS. She really can't win for losing here.

    As I see it, if most of the things she and her daughter's buys comes from their own purse strings (other than air transportation costs), why should it matter where she goes or when? IT'S HER OWN MONEY for the most part. And let's be honest...

    You [the critics] have all been so supportive of people having the right to go wherever they want if they can afford to do so using their own money. Well, as you've just read when it's a "official/private" venture, she pays her own way for the most part. Other than the air transportation issue which I really don't think she can get away from, where's the problem?
    I think you are missing the point...deliberately or otherwise. Yes...its reasonable for the first lady to fly AF2 and be protected by the secret service. Some might question if 70 secret servicemen were minimal...but again...NOT the point...the point is...The One has called for all the little people to tighten up their belts in this time of economic duress...and then the one and his family have gone on 8 taxpayer paid romps. THATS the problem...that whole hypocrisy thing..."We are all struggling...we ALL have to suffer...and by ALL of course I mean YOU all...not us...mind you...we are still going to have private concerts and parties and 8 vacations and trot the globe...but..in this dire economic time ALL have to tighten up a little bit...

    I agree with Crunch...they behave like they won the lotto...as 'leaders' go...The One blows.

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    Re: Material girl Michelle Obama is a modern-day Marie Antoinette

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Do you mean like they provide protection?

    Can you say "they can still provide said protection if Michelle and Barry are paying for it out of their own pockets while on a personal vacation"?
    So I guess you don't understand how the secret service works.
    Going on public transportation would require many more manhours to accomodate this plus disrupting travel for others at a public airport. It just isn't even reasonable. The same reason you can't just drive up and park in front of the White House any more.

    Spend a buck to save a dime eh.

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    Re: Material girl Michelle Obama is a modern-day Marie Antoinette

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I think you are missing the point...deliberately or otherwise.
    Oh, I get the point just fine...8 trips since June of this year. But let's look at them, shall we:

    Note: All trips by the FLOTUS w/her daughters

    Spring break: NYC

    May 30th: Memorial Day weekend retreat to Chicago

    Late June: LA

    July 4th: Camp David (w/Pres.)

    July 18-19: Acadia National Park in Maine

    Aug 6-9: Spain

    Aug 14-16: Gulf Coast retreat in Florida

    Aug 19-29: Martha's Vineyard (w/Pres.)

    Of all her trips only 1 is OUTCONUS, 2 were National holidays, 1 was for School Break (daughter's time away). The rest I'd call them standard PR/Presidential getaways.

    So, when you stop and think about it there's really not that much the public can really complain about since these trips are either directly for their children, PR trips, or standard trips the President and 1st Family have taken since the days of the Kennedy's.

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    Re: Material girl Michelle Obama is a modern-day Marie Antoinette

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Oh, I get the point just fine...8 trips since June of this year. But let's look at them, shall we:

    Note: All trips by the FLOTUS w/her daughters

    Spring break: NYC

    May 30th: Memorial Day weekend retreat to Chicago

    Late June: LA

    July 4th: Camp David (w/Pres.)

    July 18-19: Acadia National Park in Maine

    Aug 6-9: Spain

    Aug 14-16: Gulf Coast retreat in Florida

    Aug 19-29: Martha's Vineyard (w/Pres.)

    Of all her trips only 1 is OUTCONUS, 2 were National holidays, 1 was for School Break (daughter's time away). The rest I'd call them standard PR/Presidential getaways.

    So, when you stop and think about it there's really not that much the public can really complain about since these trips are either directly for their children, PR trips, or standard trips the President and 1st Family have taken since the days of the Kennedy's.
    At a time of national belt tightening...when the nation is running an unemployment rate of 10% with actual unemployment around 20%...when homes are being foreclosed on still at a record rate...when all of the leading economic indicators are STILL being adjusted downward...no answers...but...LOTS of vacations! Not for the little people mind you...but for The One and company...well...in the immortal words of Bill Clinton..."He doesnt feel your pain..."

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    Re: Material girl Michelle Obama is a modern-day Marie Antoinette

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    At a time of national belt tightening...when the nation is running an unemployment rate of 10% with actual unemployment around 20%...when homes are being foreclosed on still at a record rate...when all of the leading economic indicators are STILL being adjusted downward...no answers...but...LOTS of vacations! Not for the little people mind you...but for The One and company...well...in the immortal words of Bill Clinton..."He doesnt feel your pain..."
    So because your neighbor is unemployed you don't take your family on vacation?

    You have any idea how many people's employment is dependent on the tourist business?

    Perhaps because it is a democrat that gripes you more than the fact that the first family takes vacation....

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