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    Re: Material girl Michelle Obama is a modern-day Marie Antoinette

    I couldn't agree more, Middle. That's why I posted the linked articles above. To me, the woman has no choice but to accept the protective measures her stature as FLOTUS affords her whether she wanted to or not. She didn't choose the hotel accomodations, she didn't choose the air travel, she didn't request the 70+ Secret Service detail that accompanied her and her daughter (nor her friends and their daughters who I'm sure were equally protected; you can't have friends of the 1st Lady travel w/her and not protect them, too.) Despite how this trip appears to many, it's really not that big a deal to me cause all the other expenses, i.e., air transportation, protection, etc., that she did not pick up personally are covered under the law:

    H.R. 4539*, Sect 636:

    No part of any appropriation contained in this Act may be used to pay for the expenses of travel of employees, including employees of the Executive Office of the President, not directly responsibile for the discharge of official governmentl tasks and duties; provided, that this restrictiono shall not apply to the family of the President, members of Congress or their spouses...
    *As enacted by the 103rd Congress, January 25, 1994.

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    Re: Material girl Michelle Obama is a modern-day Marie Antoinette

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
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    Material girl Michelle Obama is a modern-day Marie Antoinette on a glitzy Spanish vacation

    Quote(Sacrifice is something that many Americans are becoming all too familiar with during this economic downturn. It was a key theme in President Obama's inaugural address to the nation, and he's referenced it numerous times when lecturing the country on how to get back on its feet.

    But while most of the country is pinching pennies and downsizing summer sojourns - or forgoing them altogether - the Obamas don't seem to be heeding their own advice. While many of us are struggling, the First Lady is spending the next few days in a five-star hotel on the chic Costa del Sol in southern Spain with 40 of her "closest friends." According to CNN, the group is expected to occupy 60 to 70 rooms, more than a third of the lodgings at the 160-room resort. Not exactly what one would call cutting back in troubled times.)

    Although I am by no means what might be called an 'Obama fan", even Obama fans must see the incredible differences, between what Obama calls for the rest of America, compared to how his wife spends and spends and spends US Taxpayer funds on her own hedonistic pleasures.
    There are so many real issues to discuss and debate, why twist off on the irrelevant/silly issues?

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    Re: Material girl Michelle Obama is a modern-day Marie Antoinette

    A woman who eats vegetables out of her own yard and advocates for people to do the same thing is equivalent to "let them eat cake?"

    I guess my mom is Marie Antoinette. Someone really needs to invent the anti-crazy pill.
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    Re: Material girl Michelle Obama is a modern-day Marie Antoinette

    Some of you really are clueless as to the workings of the USSS. The best way to describe them is "Institutional paranoia." Did you know that in security matters that even the President can't sidestep most of the USSS security provisions? FLOTUS couldn't charter a private plane for international travel if the President authorized it with an official order signed in blood from his daughter's pinky finger. If the USSS sees something as an unnecessary security risk, that's it. End of discussion. The USSS makes every possible concession to try and allow the First Family as much freedom and lee-way as possible. But with security matters, when it comes down to nut-cuttin' time, they win - every time. Also, from the USSS perspective, it is far more cost-effective to use an aiplane that is already known to be secure than it is to procure, outfit and secure a private plane.

    Technically, the plane she took is not AF2. It's only AF2 when the VP is aboard. Otherwise it's tail number 80002. Just as with AF1, it is only AF1 when the President is aboard. Otherwise it is either tail numer 28000 or 29000 (there are two).

    And 70 agents sounds about right to me. 3 shifts of 8 hours, that leaves a maximum of 24 agents on duty at any given time. Not all of them are on personal protection detail. That's usually about a dozen (probably a few more in this case since one of the kiddos is with her). The rest are there to either go ahead of FLOTUS and determine the best security strategy for each location that FLOTUS visits or to be a liaison with the foreign security forces or to make sure that secure comm links have been established. Some of them scout the safest and fastest routes of egress in case the worst happens. Some of those 70 agents have probably been in-country for several weeks preparing for the visit. When you start whittling away agents for this duty and that duty and this responsibility and that responsibility, it doesn't take long for 70 agents to be the bare minimum.
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    Re: Material girl Michelle Obama is a modern-day Marie Antoinette

    Quote Originally Posted by prrriiide View Post
    Some of you really are clueless as to the workings of the USSS. The best way to describe them is "Institutional paranoia." Did you know that in security matters that even the President can't sidestep most of the USSS security provisions? FLOTUS couldn't charter a private plane for international travel if the President authorized it with an official order signed in blood from his daughter's pinky finger. If the USSS sees something as an unnecessary security risk, that's it. End of discussion. The USSS makes every possible concession to try and allow the First Family as much freedom and lee-way as possible. But with security matters, when it comes down to nut-cuttin' time, they win - every time. Also, from the USSS perspective, it is far more cost-effective to use an aiplane that is already known to be secure than it is to procure, outfit and secure a private plane.

    Technically, the plane she took is not AF2. It's only AF2 when the VP is aboard. Otherwise it's tail number 80002. Just as with AF1, it is only AF1 when the President is aboard. Otherwise it is either tail numer 28000 or 29000 (there are two).

    And 70 agents sounds about right to me. 3 shifts of 8 hours, that leaves a maximum of 24 agents on duty at any given time. Not all of them are on personal protection detail. That's usually about a dozen (probably a few more in this case since one of the kiddos is with her). The rest are there to either go ahead of FLOTUS and determine the best security strategy for each location that FLOTUS visits or to be a liaison with the foreign security forces or to make sure that secure comm links have been established. Some of them scout the safest and fastest routes of egress in case the worst happens. Some of those 70 agents have probably been in-country for several weeks preparing for the visit. When you start whittling away agents for this duty and that duty and this responsibility and that responsibility, it doesn't take long for 70 agents to be the bare minimum.
    thanks for the voice of reason.

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