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    Re: An August Surprise from Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    why shouldn't felons who have served their time be able to vote?
    Because if there are enough of them, they can elect some real assholes into the government. This is one of those common sense things.
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    Re: An August Surprise from Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Hmmmmmm, why do I fail to see a valid comparison?

    Only 14 (not sure on this...conflicting info) states deny voting rights to felons who've served their time. Personally? I don't understand why they can't vote in all 52. Hahahahahaha. j/k, don't get all crazy on me. ;-) But, seriously, why shouldn't someone who's served his time be allowed to vote? I fail to see a connection. Served your time? Good as gold. 'Til next time.

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    So did the child molester, so you gonna take your kid to his day care?
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    Re: An August Surprise from Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Personally, I think their civil rights should be restored. Why should we abridge the civil rights of felons who've done their time? Give me a good reason, and I might change my mind...

    If I remember correctly, Turtle, you're a staunch proponent of the right to bear arms. Why should one lose that right because of a drug conviction (example) that's been bought and paid for?
    I don't think people who are convicted of drug crimes should lose their rights because I don't think the government has any business banning drugs.

    but to answer your question-I think those who are convicted of victimless crimes, non violent crimes etc should not lose the RKBA

    I don't think any misdemeanor should be sufficient to strip someone of a constitutional right either.



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    An August Surprise from Obama?

    Excerpted from “An August Surprise from Obama?” By James Pethokoukis, “Political Risk,” Reuters, AUG 5, 2010 00:26 EDT
    Main Street may be about to get its own gigantic bailout. Rumors are running wild from Washington to Wall Street that the Obama administration is about to order government-controlled lenders Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to forgive a portion of the mortgage debt of millions of Americans who owe more than what their homes are worth. An estimated 15 million U.S. mortgages – one in five – are underwater with negative equity of some $800 billion. Recall that on Christmas Eve 2009, the Treasury Department waived a $400 billion limit on financial assistance to Fannie and Freddie, pledging unlimited help. The actual vehicle for the bailout could be the Bush-era Home Affordable Refinance Program, or HARP, a sister program to Obama’s loan modification effort. HARP was just extended through June 30, 2011.

    The move, if it happens, would be a stunning political and economic bombshell less than 100 days before a midterm election in which Democrats are currently expected to suffer massive, if not historic losses. The key date to watch is August 17 when the Treasury Department holds a much-hyped meeting on the future of Fannie and Freddie. …

    Rumor or truth? Would this impact you? Millions of American homes are underwater.

    Excerpted from “Negative Equity Breakdown” by CalculatedRisk on 7/31/2010 11:40:00 AM
    A few key points, as of Q1 2010:
    • There is almost $2.4 trillion mortgage debt for homes in negative equity.
    • The total negative equity is $771 billion.
    • There are 4.1 million homeowners with more than 50% negative equity (they owe 50%+ more than their homes are worth).
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    Re: An August Surprise from Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I don't think people who are convicted of drug crimes should lose their rights because I don't think the government has any business banning drugs.

    but to answer your question-I think those who are convicted of victimless crimes, non violent crimes etc should not lose the RKBA

    I don't think any misdemeanor should be sufficient to strip someone of a constitutional right either.
    The nonviolent crimes caveat would fly with me okay. Misdemeanors? Yeah, I agree. I don't think that's an issue though. It's "convicted felons."

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    So did the child molester, so you gonna take your kid to his day care?
    Yikes! Go ahead, pick the one crime (pedophilia) that's a crime as well as an incurable addiction. That's not fair. ;-) To answer your question, "Uhhhhhhh, hmmmmmmm, no."
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    Re: An August Surprise from Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Oh...I dont know...something about a natural consequence of violating societies laws-losing voting rights and firearm ownership. Not my law really...but...something the states seem to feel strongly about...
    some states do, some don't. voting rights should be restored after parole is finished.

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    Re: An August Surprise from Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Don't commit felonies. Sorry I support not giving voting rights to convicted felons. Call it added deterrence not to commit crimes.
    that's funny.

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    Re: An August Surprise from Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    do you think they should be able to own guns after doing their time?
    i do. why not?

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    Re: An August Surprise from Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Because if there are enough of them, they can elect some real assholes into the government. This is one of those common sense things.
    that's pretty funny too.

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    Re: An August Surprise from Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The nonviolent crimes caveat would fly with me okay. Misdemeanors? Yeah, I agree. I don't think that's an issue though. It's "convicted felons."



    Yikes! Go ahead, pick the one crime (pedophilia) that's a crime as well as an incurable addiction. That's not fair. ;-) To answer your question, "Uhhhhhhh, hmmmmmmm, no."
    I just picked a criminal class that has a post time-served stigma.
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