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Senate Cuts Food Stamp Funds; Leaves Oil and Gas Subsidies Intact

MrVicchio said:
Have you considered the value of not wasting time on the internet and finding a job?

Also $700 is WAAAYYYY Too much money. For me, my wife and my two kids we spent $120 every 2 weeks.
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Have you considered that you can apply for jobs online. :roll:
 
Your Star said:
Not as much as the government can be trusted. Our food stamps come reliably each month, can't say that a food pantry will be open reliably each month.
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You're one of those folks that thinks money is just something Gov't has in unlimited supply.

Guess what honey, it doesn't. Not only that, but Gov't is wasteful, full of fraud, and encourages sloth. Why work when other people will provide for you? Why bust your ass when the "Gov't" will provide for you.

That's what's so insidiously EVIL about Gov't Social Programs. And I suppose your big problem with relying on Charities, Family or Churches is they might actually ask you to start fending for yourself instead of providing for life.
 
Your Star said:
Have you considered that you can apply for jobs online. :roll:
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Sure, and you sure are having loads of success with that!

I'm unemployed, been so since 02Jul10. I start Job hunting next week. Bet you I find a job before you. And we haven't applied for Food Stamps, Welfare, Unemployment...

Why?

We refuse to. My wife makes just enough that we can eek by. I have to make changes, we've cut services, altered our routines and looked for ways to save $$ and make her paycheck stretch. And that's WITH the kids here, an added expense we normally do not have.
 
MrVicchio said:
Sure, and you sure are having loads of success with that!

I'm unemployed, been so since 02Jul10. I start Job hunting next week. Bet you I find a job before you. And we haven't applied for Food Stamps, Welfare, Unemployment...

Why?

We refuse to. My wife makes just enough that we can eek by. I have to make changes, we've cut services, altered our routines and looked for ways to save $$ and make her paycheck stretch. And that's WITH the kids here, an added expense we normally do not have.
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so you've been sitting home for a month?
 
MrVicchio said:
You're one of those folks that thinks money is just something Gov't has in unlimited supply.

Guess what honey, it doesn't. Not only that, but Gov't is wasteful, full of fraud, and encourages sloth. Why work when other people will provide for you? Why bust your ass when the "Gov't" will provide for you.

That's what's so insidiously EVIL about Gov't Social Programs. And I suppose your big problem with relying on Charities, Family or Churches is they might actually ask you to start fending for yourself instead of providing for life.
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Ah, here's the same tired argument that people on these programs don't want to provide for themselves, and if only they weren't so lazy. Well let me tell you, can't wait to get off of food stamps, it'll be a good day. And no, I know that the government doesn't have unlimited supply's of money, but I am the type of person who thinks the government should allocate some of the money it collects for these types of welfare programs. While I think these programs need to be reformed, and instead of just throwing money at people they should help people get back on their feet, these programs are far from evil.
And the thing about charities, is besides their nature of being unreliable from the fact that they don't have a steady income, is that during economic downturns like the one were in, these charities are often dealt with the horrible reality that more people will probably need their services, and the fact that they probably won't be seeing the same kind of donations as everyone's wallet tightens. It's a vicious cycle really.
 
MrVicchio said:
Sure, and you sure are having loads of success with that!

I'm unemployed, been so since 02Jul10. I start Job hunting next week. Bet you I find a job before you. And we haven't applied for Food Stamps, Welfare, Unemployment...

Why?

We refuse to. My wife makes just enough that we can eek by. I have to make changes, we've cut services, altered our routines and looked for ways to save $$ and make her paycheck stretch. And that's WITH the kids here, an added expense we normally do not have.
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Bet you do. I can guarantee you that you have a better resume than me. Lets see I had to drop out of college due to being too poor to afford it, no prior work experience, and the best thing I've got going for me is some good grades in some AP classes in high school. For your family's sake I hope you have a better resume than me, and I hope you find work. Sucks being poor.
 
Your Star said:
Bet you do. I can guarantee you that you have a better resume than me. Lets see I had to drop out of college due to being too poor to afford it, no prior work experience, and the best thing I've got going for me is some good grades in some AP classes in high school. For your family's sake I hope you have a better resume than me, and I hope you find work. Sucks being poor.
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star, i was very poor. don't worry about it. you seem smart, you'll get a job, go to school part time. are you in an urban location?
 
I grew up latchkey with a mother who also dropped out of college, but to support a household and an 8 year old child by working low-paying factory jobs.

I graduated college, including an MBA, on grants, scholarships, and more loan money than I could possibly use (and had to turn down a good 75% of it).

"Too poor to afford college" carries absolutely no merit to me, and I will call someone out every last time.

Yes, it does suck to be poor. However, there are ways to fix it. Truth is you just didn't want to do it badly enough.
 
liblady said:
star, i was very poor. don't worry about it. you seem smart, you'll get a job, go to school part time. are you in an urban location?
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Unfortunately no. If I was I would probably be in school by now, but I basically live in a town with a population smaller than Mayberry. I think about 200 people? Not sure, but around that number. Thats also why I think I haven't found a job yet, hardly anyplace near me to work at.

Edit @ Gipper, all those grants, and scholarships are alot harder to get with the economy the way it is. It's a little discouraging, but it is what it is. I'm more than likely going to swallow my pride, and go to a University of Phoenix type school. Yeah, it will be like going back to middle school, but it's better than doing nothing.
 
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Your Star said:
Unfortunately no. If I was I would probably be in school by now, but I basically live in a town with a population smaller than Mayberry. I think about 200 people? Not sure, but around that number. Thats also why I think I haven't found a job yet, hardly anyplace near me to work at.
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damn, of course that's why.

you should be able to get some grants, have you applied? work ANYWHERE you can, doing whatever you can, and learn from whatever you do. don't be picky at this stage.
 
liblady said:
damn, of course that's why.

you should be able to get some grants, have you applied? work ANYWHERE you can, doing whatever you can, and learn from whatever you do. don't be picky at this stage.
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Oh yeah, I'm definitely not picky at this point. I remember coming out of high school saying that I would never work at a fast food joint, but I've lost every bit of that thinking. Hell I'd work at a slaughter house at this point. And like I said, I'm probably just going to a just sign up type college just so I can keep going to school, while earning money so I can go to a real school.
 
Your Star said:
Oh yeah, I'm definitely not picky at this point. I remember coming out of high school saying that I would never work at a fast food joint, but I've lost every bit of that thinking. Hell I'd work at a slaughter house at this point. And like I said, I'm probably just going to a just sign up type college just so I can keep going to school, while earning money so I can go to a real school.
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any job has merits. just go for it, and remember, you can stand anything for a day.
 
Your Star said:
Bet you do. I can guarantee you that you have a better resume than me. Lets see I had to drop out of college due to being too poor to afford it, no prior work experience, and the best thing I've got going for me is some good grades in some AP classes in high school. For your family's sake I hope you have a better resume than me, and I hope you find work. Sucks being poor.
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I have little college, my Veteran Status, and a great attitude. I'm also prone to typos on forums, thus I could never get paid to be a forum poster.

Look, I wish you well, I DO. I hope you land a job, and things go well for you, I DO.

My thing, and it's not personal, I don't believe in gov't social welfare programs. What were supposed to be last resort catch you before you end up dead or a vagabond have become life for far too many people. It angers me, it saddens me.

You may not realize it, but you are trapped by the system. You think you MUST have the Gov't to survive. Maybe YOU DO, but far too many don't, but haven't realized it yet.
 
MrVicchio said:
Charlie Rangle and Maxine Waters are Republicans??
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I know who and WHAT they are. They are NOT the only corrupt members in congress and the house.

The difference is .... Democrats create social programs; Republicans have no problem stealing from the poor to give to the rich; however, they complain bitterly when they have to pay taxes which support welfare.

It's absolutely hypocritical.
 
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MrVicchio said:
I have little college, my Veteran Status, and a great attitude. I'm also prone to typos on forums, thus I could never get paid to be a forum poster.

Look, I wish you well, I DO. I hope you land a job, and things go well for you, I DO.

My thing, and it's not personal, I don't believe in gov't social welfare programs. What were supposed to be last resort catch you before you end up dead or a vagabond have become life for far too many people. It angers me, it saddens me.

You may not realize it, but you are trapped by the system. You think you MUST have the Gov't to survive. Maybe YOU DO, but far too many don't, but haven't realized it yet.
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I don't get how I'm trapped? The fact is that without the food stamps the roof over our head would go away. It's not that we think it would, it would. Thats the cold hard facts. In an ideal society would we have welfare programs, no. But we don't live in an ideal society, I think welfare needs reform, but getting rid of it would do more harm than good.
 
Vader said:
I never said Democrats were innocent.

Also.. I agree with that list about Eric Holder. He needs to be disbarred and removed from office. Then his ass needs to be seized and tossed in jail.
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There.... fixed it for ya. :mrgreen:
 
Vader said:
I say get rid of Republicans entirely! Think of all the corruption that would prevented.
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Who is in the news this week (two dems for ethical violations). I say, get rid of them all and start over. Pretty PC in doing that.
 
Vader said:
I know who and WHAT they are. They are NOT the only corrupt members in congress and the house.

The difference is .... Democrats create social programs; Republicans have no problem stealing from the poor to give to the rich; however, they complain bitterly when they have to pay taxes which support welfare.

It's absolutely hypocritical.
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such much nonsense in that. how do you steal from the poor so much to make others rich

the populist nonsense is getting trite
 
Your Star said:
I don't get how I'm trapped? The fact is that without the food stamps the roof over our head would go away. It's not that we think it would, it would. Thats the cold hard facts. In an ideal society would we have welfare programs, no. But we don't live in an ideal society, I think welfare needs reform, but getting rid of it would do more harm than good.
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You THINK it would do harm then good. That's part of how you are trapped.

Have you sought out family, church, local/state charities? Or did you sign up for Gov't right away? I'm betting you went straight to the Gov't.

I believe in the power of YOU, and I think the Gov't makes it far too easy to rely on it then yourself.
 
@MrVicchio have you ever had to go to a church or charity for food? Of course not you have the biggest charity of all, the US government thanking you over and over for being a vet.
 
JohnWOlin said:
@MrVicchio have you ever had to go to a church or charity for food? Of course not you have the biggest charity of all, the US government thanking you over and over for being a vet.
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It's kind of like withholding tax..... if you had to go up to a window each month and cash your check, then give the government 30 percent of it, there would be a revolution the next month.

If you had to go hat in hand to a church or a soup kitchen to eat, you would get off your ass and take the first job you could find. You'd spend 12+ hours a day looking for work and there would be no such thing as a job being beneath you.

Be thankful that we have vets..... they are the ones that bought you the right to shoot your mouth off, most of the time with their blood.... ass hole.
 
MrVicchio said:
You THINK it would do harm then good. That's part of how you are trapped.

Have you sought out family, church, local/state charities? Or did you sign up for Gov't right away? I'm betting you went straight to the Gov't.

I believe in the power of YOU, and I think the Gov't makes it far too easy to rely on it then yourself.
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My Dad's church has a food-bank of sorts, as well as a free walking clinic - and because *everything* is provided by donation (everything from bandaids to the Dr's time, to bags of groceries and toilet paper) - they have very scare resources to actually go around.

Charity is great - but it doesn't go as far as you think.
 
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