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    Re: A Turning Point For Democrats?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Wrong, you pick and choose what you want to believe. I wasn't for Bush's Immigration reform and wasn't for the TARP bailout nor do I agree with all the Bush spending that got a lot of Democrat support. Problem is now Democrats have put Bush spending on steroids. I asked you to tell me what Obama has done that has made this country stronger and I got silence. Economically Obama has done nothing that I support.
    of course you don't support obama, he is a democrat and not a republican.

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    Re: A Turning Point For Democrats?

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    of course you don't support obama, he is a democrat and not a republican.
    You didn't read a word I posted or if you did you cannot comprehend what is written. Barack Obama is the worst President ever to hold the position and that is because of his policies, not because he is a Democrat. I don't care what political party he belongs to. It is the record and agenda that matters not the political party.

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    Re: A Turning Point For Democrats?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You didn't read a word I posted or if you did you cannot comprehend what is written. Barack Obama is the worst President ever to hold the position and that is because of his policies, not because he is a Democrat. I don't care what political party he belongs to. It is the record and agenda that matters not the political party.
    of course i read the post, it reads like 99% of the rest of your posts....they all break down to 'obama and democrats bad' and 'republicans good'....

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    Re: A Turning Point For Democrats?

    Well lets see, the senate was controlled by the democrats but the house was controlled by Republicans in 2001. By the end of 03 both were totally controlled by the Republicans. However, there is no arguing with the fact that we went into a full blown recession while the dems were in control, however at the time any measures presented by the dems to prevent this (such as cap and trade, market regulations, etc) were vetoed. The majority of the funds still cannot be traced, and I would put only partial blame on Obama for that one. Besides the fact that Bush and Cheney unfairly gave contract bids to companies like Haliburton, and the majority of our troops from 2006-2008 where used for Haliburton convoy security yeah I can def place the majority of blame on Bush.

    As for firefighters, I don't think I once said that they were federally funded. Police on the other hand can be funded and can outsource the various federal agencies, and states can apply for aid and resources for police on things such as speed traps, highways, basically any interstate that is within a police district can be funded federally. Teachers on the other hand like I said--they need to be funded more than they are. Teachers themselves I will admit aren't funded, but they shouldn't have to pay for their education, although federal loans they are granted have more lax terms as long as they are able to complete their schooling and successfully become a teacher.
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    Re: A Turning Point For Democrats?

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    of course i read the post, it reads like 99% of the rest of your posts....they all break down to 'obama and democrats bad' and 'republicans good'....
    In today's world, yep, you got it and the results support that belief

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    Re: A Turning Point For Democrats?

    JohnWOlin;1058894158]Well lets see, the senate was controlled by the democrats but the house was controlled by Republicans in 2001. By the end of 03 both were totally controlled by the Republicans. However, there is no arguing with the fact that we went into a full blown recession while the dems were in control, however at the time any measures presented by the dems to prevent this (such as cap and trade, market regulations, etc) were vetoed. The majority of the funds still cannot be traced, and I would put only partial blame on Obama for that one. Besides the fact that Bush and Cheney unfairly gave contract bids to companies like Haliburton, and the majority of our troops from 2006-2008 where used for Haliburton convoy security yeah I can def place the majority of blame on Bush.
    So you believe cap and trade would have prevented a recession? What regulations did Bush veto? It was Democrats that prevented Freddie and Fannie regulations. Regarding Iraq the Vote was 76-23 in the Senate under Democrat control that supported the invasion. It is also a fact that apparently you want to continue to blame Bush and divert from the current occupant in the WH. Don't blame you, the record isn't pretty.

    You certainly have a distorted view as to the role of the Federal Govt. Have you ever read the Constitution? stop buying what you are told by Obama and look at the results. Results matter, not rhetoric and the results have created unsustainable debt and massive expansion of govt. Instead of promoting the private sector job growth, Obama has worked on job killing programs like cap and trade, Obamacare, and repeal of the Bush tax cuts which hurt private businesses.


    As for firefighters, I don't think I once said that they were federally funded. Police on the other hand can be funded and can outsource the various federal agencies, and states can apply for aid and resources for police on things such as speed traps, highways, basically any interstate that is within a police district can be funded federally. Teachers on the other hand like I said--they need to be funded more than they are. Teachers themselves I will admit aren't funded, but they shouldn't have to pay for their education, although federal loans they are granted have more lax terms as long as they are able to complete their schooling and successfully become a teacher.
    Do you realize that it is the taxpayer's money before it goes to the govt? You are the one that mentioned firefighters, teachers, etc. and I rightly pointed out these are locally funded and thus state not federal responsibility. If a state cannot pay for their police and firefighters it is the state's responsibility to find a way to do that. It is the Federal Govt.'s responsibility not to force states into unfunded mandates.

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    Re: A Turning Point For Democrats?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    In today's world, yep, you got it and the results support that belief
    in your world perhaps.....

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    Re: A Turning Point For Democrats?

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    in your world perhaps.....
    Obviously in your world results don't matter as you are easily swayed by the rhetoric. If you couldn't divert to Bush you wouldn't have anything to say but to tell the truth if you never said anything you would have more credibility.

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    Re: A Turning Point For Democrats?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Not sure what I am supposed to take responsibility for, 4.5 trillion in GDP Growth, tax cuts that grew govt. revenue, 54 straight months of positive economic growth? Democrats take over in January 07 and do what?
    I seriously think that you may very likely be the only person in America that believes that GWB was an economic genius. Even Navy Pride doesn't believe that.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: A Turning Point For Democrats?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Had the Democrats adopted that song prior to the 2008 elections, Obama wouldn't be in the WH right now. They bought the "hope and change" message and ignored the resume showing lack of experience.
    What's your excuse for 8 years of Bush?
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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