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    Re: Birthers Move Over and Make Way for Thirteenthers

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Care to elaborate? What do the 1st, 3rd and 9th Amendments have to do with the issue at hand? (Not trying to be difficult; I just don't understand where you're going with this?)
    That's okay. I didn't understand the swipe from him about how I should read the constitution. I'm not the dumbass who is trying to amend it so that Obama will be stripped of his Presidency.

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    Re: Birthers Move Over and Make Way for Thirteenthers

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You should have seen Detroit under Reagan...not a pretty place. Of course the dishonesty of taking pictures from different neighborhoods for the then and now is also amusing...
    Anopther brilliant tactic...forget that Reagan was elected president 30 years ago...and lets avoid talking about NOW...current administration...freqin GENIUS...

    Well...I know I hired you to manage my store...but what the ****...its OK you are a dismal failure...because the guy 30 years ago was ****ed too...

    yeah...THATS a GREAT tactic!!!

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    Re: Birthers Move Over and Make Way for Thirteenthers

    VanceM,

    I think what Redress was eluding to is you can't blame Pres. Obama for Detroit's economic problems when the city fell in decline long before he came into office. If you want to blame anyone for the city's problems, there's plenty of blame that should have been casts long ago.

    Redress rightly was also trying to deflect from the ridiculous idea that somehow any laws, plans or policies enacted by the current President would somehow turn things around overnight. To use a dieter's analogy...it took a long time for the individual to put on the weight; it's gonna take a long time to take the weight off. Same thing applies here.

    Detroit and other economically depressed cities didn't just fall into decline from the inaction or wrongful actions of just one person. It's going to take alot to get such economically depressed cities back on their feet. It starts w/the city planners getting their citizens involved and with their policy makers to find ways to bring new businesses to their area that promote job creation and job growth. But the President's policies in and of themselves will not be able to turn that around for Detroit or any other city. They may be a start, but it's up to the city planners themselves to turn things around in Detroit.

    Quote Originally Posted by TennesseeRain View Post
    That's okay. I didn't understand the swipe from him about how I should read the constitution. I'm not the dumbass who is trying to amend it so that Obama will be stripped of his Presidency.
    The reason I asked is because none of the Amendments Crunch mentioned have anything to do with citizenship or the Presidency. As to the original drafting of the 13th Amendment these "13ners" would like to bring back, they'd have a very difficult time doing so considering:

    a) Art. 1, 2, and 3 already outline the qualifications and elective processes for the Legistlative, Executive and Judicial branches of government; and,
    b) the 14th Amendment clearly defines who are this nation's citizens.

    And if you wanted to go further, Art. 3, Sect. 3 covers acts of Treason. So, IMO, all the basis that the original drafting of the 13th Amendment would have covered as far as citizenship, subversion of power and authority, and where one's alliances are draw in this country are already covered under the Constitution as it currently stands. There's really no need to rehash an old and useless amendment whose only purpose obviously is to remove someone from office just because someone doesn't like him. Pure foolishness.
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 07-30-10 at 12:17 PM.

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    Re: Birthers Move Over and Make Way for Thirteenthers

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Anopther brilliant tactic...forget that Reagan was elected president 30 years ago...and lets avoid talking about NOW...current administration...freqin GENIUS...

    Well...I know I hired you to manage my store...but what the ****...its OK you are a dismal failure...because the guy 30 years ago was ****ed too...

    yeah...THATS a GREAT tactic!!!
    If the guy 30 years ago put something into place that the current manager has no way of controlling on the short term (lets assume there is an issue with pensions), than it wouldn't be his fault. We should put blame where blame is due and not simply assume the current manager is a superman.

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    Re: Birthers Move Over and Make Way for Thirteenthers

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Care to elaborate? What do the 1st, 3rd and 9th Amendments have to do with the issue at hand? (Not trying to be difficult; I just don't understand where you're going with this?)

    LOL..... I posted a few up that Article I, section 9, clause 3 would have to be amended before anything could be done as far as changing the 13th amendment and having it affect Barry's Nobel Peace Prize. (that is assuming the Nobel would fall under the 13th, which I doubt)

    Sorry, I just short handed it to 1,9,3.
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: Birthers Move Over and Make Way for Thirteenthers

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    VanceM,

    I think what Redress was eluding to is you can't blame Pres. Obama for Detroit's economic problems when the city fell in decline long before he came into office. If you want to blame anyone for the city's problems, there's plenty of blame that should have been casts long ago.

    Redress rightly was also trying to deflect from the ridiculous idea that somehow any laws, plans or policies enacted by the current President would somehow turn things around overnight. To use a dieter's analogy...it took a long time for the individual to put on the weight; it's gonna take a long time to take the weight off. Same thing applies here.

    Detroit and other economically depressed cities didn't just fall into decline from the inaction or wrongful actions of just one person. It's going to take alot to get such economically depressed cities back on their feet. It starts w/the city planners getting their citizens involved and with their policy makers to find ways to bring new businesses to their area that promote job creation and job growth. But the President's policies in and of themselves will not be able to turn that around for Detroit or any other city. They may be a start, but it's up to the city planners themselves to turn things around in Detroit.



    The reason I asked is because none of the Amendments Crunch mentioned have anything to do with citizenship or the Presidency. As to the original drafting of the 13th Amendment these "13ners" would like to bring back, they'd have a very difficult time doing so considering:

    a) Art. 1, 2, and 3 already outline the qualifications and elective processes for the Legistlative, Executive and Judicial branches of government; and,
    b) the 14th Amendment clearly defines who are this nation's citizens.

    And if you wanted to go further, Art. 3, Sect. 3 covers acts of Treason. So, IMO, all the basis that the original drafting of the 13th Amendment would have covered as far as citizenship, subversion of power and authority, and where one's alliances are draw in this country are already covered under the Constitution as it currently stands. There's really no need to rehash an old and useless amendment whose only purpose obviously is to remove someone from office just because someone doesn't like him. Pure foolishness.
    Oh...Im sure Reddress will insert her intent. My point behind posting the pictures is simple...if people want to continue to use racism, classism, Tea Party, high heel shoes, and lunatic fringe arguments...thats fine...I'll point to the extreme to bring it back to what is important...especially during the run up to the election.

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    Re: Birthers Move Over and Make Way for Thirteenthers

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    If the guy 30 years ago put something into place that the current manager has no way of controlling on the short term (lets assume there is an issue with pensions), than it wouldn't be his fault. We should put blame where blame is due and not simply assume the current manager is a superman.
    We didnt hire Barrack Obama to be Ronald Reagan. He applied for the job of president. His job is to implment policy passed by the congress for the betterment of the United States. I dont give a **** if it was Carter before Reagan, Reagan, Bush1, Clinton, or Bush2. None of that **** matters TODAY. TODAY we yhave 10%+ unmployment and thats on paper. In reality its far worse. We have c ities that are crumbling. We have a massive budget deficit.

    Im a realist...I dont expect The One to fix everything overnight. However when your policies INCREASE unemployment and INCREASE budget deficits then you dont get to run around, hide behind mommies skirt and blame it on the last guy...or the guy 5 presidents ago. Thats pathetic. If he isnt up to the job he should be fired. If I hired an office manager to run a branch and that iundividual kept giving me some lame assed weak dick response like gee...I didnt know this job would be so hard, or golly...its not fair you blame me...its not my fault...you know what? ****ing wah...take your ass to Burger King or Taco Bell. Because in the big boy world...its not my fault is a lame ass response.

    I dont know how many people here actually work for a living...pay taxes, etc. If everyone wants to play silly games about blame this guy or that...well...thats fine...its not the real world...you have that perogative. But everyone MIGTHT want to look at that budget deficit. Last time I checked we are at approx 97.5-98% of our GPD in budget deficit alone. We are at the point where we will soon not be able to pay even our interest on the debt that BOTH PARTIES have accumulated. Whining about whose fault it was or blaming the other guy is simply idiotic. To blame Reagan means you actually believe that democrats and republicans aborgated the responsibilities of congress and turned over controls to our king. Bull****. Republicans AND democrats in congress have spent us into this mess. And worse...we have let them...and not just let them...we ENDORSE it because we want those little crumbs Sammy doles out to us.

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    Re: Birthers Move Over and Make Way for Thirteenthers

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    LOL..... I posted a few up that Article I, section 9, clause 3 would have to be amended before anything could be done as far as changing the 13th amendment and having it affect Barry's Nobel Peace Prize. (that is assuming the Nobel would fall under the 13th, which I doubt)

    Sorry, I just short handed it to 1,9,3.
    No, the Nobel wouldn't fall under the original 13th.

    But look at the language. I'm not sure it's specific enough to be construed as amending Art 1 Sec 9 Cl 3 as it reads. But the Iowa Republicans' platform is to ratify the original 13th as-is. Any changes or additional language and they'd have to resubmit the new amendment and start the process over again. You can't just send a constitutional amendment to the equivalent of reconciiation.
    It could always be worse.

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    Re: Birthers Move Over and Make Way for Thirteenthers

    Quote Originally Posted by goldcatt View Post
    No, the Nobel wouldn't fall under the original 13th.

    But look at the language. I'm not sure it's specific enough to be construed as amending Art 1 Sec 9 Cl 3 as it reads. But the Iowa Republicans' platform is to ratify the original 13th as-is. Any changes or additional language and they'd have to resubmit the new amendment and start the process over again. You can't just send a constitutional amendment to the equivalent of reconciiation.
    Maybe they will deem it passed.
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: Birthers Move Over and Make Way for Thirteenthers

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Maybe they will deem it passed.
    Don't give them any ideas!!
    It could always be worse.

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