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    Re: Birthers Move Over and Make Way for Thirteenthers

    Quote Originally Posted by TennesseeRain View Post
    I had never heard of this before today, but the thirteenthers are an amazing new addition to anti-Obama crazies, following in the footsteps of the birthers. Iowa Republicans are trying to ratify the original 13th Amendment:



    The idea being that, since Obama received the Nobel Peace Prize, he would be ineligible to be President of the United States if this amendment ever passed. (Ronald Reagan was knighted, but that came after the presidency. And even if he was still in office, it would probably be okay with Iowa Republicans because, you know, Ronald Reagan.) How come Democrats didn't get this creative from 2000 to 2008? We just went to Michael Moore movies all the time.


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    It would be an ex post fact law, so it wouldn't apply anyway.
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    Re: Birthers Move Over and Make Way for Thirteenthers

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It would be an ex post fact law, so it wouldn't apply anyway.
    Not so clear with a Constitutional amendment.
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    Re: Birthers Move Over and Make Way for Thirteenthers

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Not so clear with a Constitutional amendment.
    Like I said.... they would have to change 1,9,3 before they could apply it to Barry's peace prize.
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    Re: Birthers Move Over and Make Way for Thirteenthers

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Not so clear with a Constitutional amendment.
    I think it would still apply, that and the Nobel prize isn't a title of nobility.
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    Re: Birthers Move Over and Make Way for Thirteenthers

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I think it would still apply, that and the Nobel prize isn't a title of nobility.
    Like birthers and truthers and "dualers", these guys are not what you would call bright.
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    Re: Birthers Move Over and Make Way for Thirteenthers

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Like birthers and truthers and "dualers", these guys are not what you would call bright.
    What's a dualer?
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    Re: Birthers Move Over and Make Way for Thirteenthers

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    What's a dualer?
    Some one who claims that Obama is a dual citizen and therefore cannot be president.
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    Re: Birthers Move Over and Make Way for Thirteenthers

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I think it would still apply, that and the Nobel prize isn't a title of nobility.
    I agree that it's not a title of nobility, but when you amend the Constitution, you're not restricted by the Constitution. Anything previous which conflicts with it is considered amended.
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    Re: Birthers Move Over and Make Way for Thirteenthers

    [quote=Originally Posted by Objective Voice]Not only that but for receiving a prize designed for peaceful means or for conducting extraordinary acts science and humantarianism that help move the global society forward that doesn't carry a "title of nobility" with it. We're not talking about being knighted or declared a Duke or Prince heir to some throne here. We're talking about someone who has received the Nobel Peace prize (after the fact, mind you)...BIG difference.

    Quote Originally Posted by TennesseeRain View Post
    Do you mean they are confusing, "Noble" and "Nobel?"
    Absolutely!

    I'm sure someone else has already posted the definition of "noble", but for the record:

    noble
    - adj.: 1. Of or pertaining to an aristocracy; of lofty lineage.
    - n.: 3. Imposing in appearance; grand. A person having hereditary title, rank and privileges.

    I ask the question, "How does accepting the Nobel Peace Prize impose a hereditary or aristocratic title upon an individual?" It's a prize awarded to individuals for their personal achievements toward the greater good for society and DOES NOT bestow upon the receiptant a position of authority, i.e., Lord, Duke, Dutchess, Prince, Princess, King, or Queen.

    I did a search to try and find out how the original 13th Amendment read and this is what I found:

    From Syracuse.com

    Part of the original 13th amendment of the Constitution reads, “If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive or retain any title of nobility or honor, or shall, without the consent of Congress accept and retain any present, pension, office or emolument of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince or foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them."
    The interesting thing here is the Nobel Peace Prize isn't awarded by a specific nation. It is awarded by the Norwegian Nobel Committee under the auspices of the Nobel Foundation in Stockholm, Sweden. So, it's not as if the Swedish or Norwegian Parliament are administering the award. To put it another way, it's not as if Queen Elizabeth has Knighted President Obama. If that were the case, he couldn't accept said knighthood under the original 13th Amendement w/o obtaining Congressional approval first. In the case of the Nobel Peace Prize, it's a non-issue because the award isn't awarded by any country's government persa.
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    Re: Birthers Move Over and Make Way for Thirteenthers

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    It's a prize awarded to individuals for their personal achievements toward the greater good for society
    Well, in theory, at least; not in practice though, apparently.

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