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He hasnt made a decent film since Platoon, get back me when Hollywood produces something good. Unlike the amounts of crap thats been churned out as of late.

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Helvidius said:

Why should Jewish people be rubbing the holocaust in everyone elses face? Yes, it was a tragedy, but how many people today were alive in the 1940s? Rubbing it in someones face suggests they were responsible. If someone asked me to apologize for the Holocaust simply because I was Catholic I would refuse. Many different people in the world have been persecuted, it is ok to remember the tragedy, but you shouldn't be holding it over the heads of people who were not responsible.

Though I do not care for Stone's brand of political thought, Israel does have a large impact on U.S. foreign policy. There are many in the media and government who are Jewish or have worked for a Jewish lobbying group. I also think the U.S. has treated Iran unfairly. We condemn Iran for attmepting to build nukes, but allow Israel to keep their nukes. As far as I am concerned the U.S. owes Israel nothing. If anything, it should be Britain that is helping Israel out.

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Really? i dont see a Jewish history month...a Holocaust remembrance month. I see normal events but have never seen anything 'in your face'. In fact the only time it seems to become a hotbed issue is when an asshole like Achmadinijad or Oliver Stone brings it up and uses it as a springboard to attack Jews. Followed of course by the progressives and their obligatory commentary.

HISTORY on the other hand bears studying and remembering...primarily so we can recognize warning signs and avoid similar future events (not just with Jews) and so that we can LEARN without reexperiencing it.

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RyrineaHaruno said:

The Elders of Zion thing is crap, and this is coming from a Conspiracy Theorist. Anyone who believes that crap are to lazy to do research on that subject, and see it was faked by a bunch of racist.

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To be precise it was plagiarized from works of fiction that had nothing to do with Jews.

So he is one of those people that think Jews control America, or does he thinks they control world events.

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Actually the statement "Jews control the media" is factually evident. Many claims about Jewish control of x industry are astonishingly accurate, at least as it concerns the U.S. It is also natural for people to allow their personal bias to become reflected in their work. When you have common heritage with a people, even if you do not share the exact same beliefs you will feel inclined to help them. Not to mention you are more likely to be offended at comments or arguments that might be considered insulting to your people.

As far as world events PNAC (was run by Jews) and George Soros come to mind. Of course, at the same time those examples prove one other thing, that any notion of a Jewish conspiracy is absurd on its face. George Soros devoted a lot of money to beating Bush, whose Administration (specifically in the first term) was dominated by PNAC members including those of Jewish heritage.

Arcana XV said:

Either way. Absolutely despicable and uncalled for minimizing of the suffering of 6 million people.

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Actually, the 6 million figures seems almost certainly to be an overstatement, based on rather crude calculation methods. It seems to be 5 million at most, though probably even lower than that. It is still probably more than 4 million.

The fact that the world's Jewish community will NEVER forget and will never allow ANYONE ELSE to forget what happened to them is a GOOD thing. I can't believe anyone would ever dare suggest that keeping the world's focus on what happened during WWII alive is a negative thing.

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It can be a negative thing if it is used to excuse or justify brutality in the present. Look at what's going on with Iran. I have little doubt a war with Iran would be far worse than most are predicting and it will likely be done under the false pretense of preventing another Holocaust. No genocide in history has been used to justify the brutality and abuse that the Holocaust has been used to justify.

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Now Stone is apologizing. I HATE that...I wish he would have just stuck his chin out, stood his ground, and said yeah bitch, I said it...now what? Instead of lying and saying..."oh...Im sorry...I didnt REALLY mean that..." Yes you did, you assclown...you are sorry you didnt THINK before you engaged your MOUTH...but you still meant it.

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Helvidius said:

Why should Jewish people be rubbing the holocaust in everyone elses face?

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Gee, I dunno.... maybe because a third of their population was slaughtered? Just a guess.

Rubbing it in someones face suggests they were responsible.

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Um, no it doesn't.

If someone asked me to apologize for the Holocaust simply because I was Catholic I would refuse.

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As you should. But nobody is asking you to apologize.

Many different people in the world have been persecuted, it is ok to remember the tragedy, but you shouldn't be holding it over the heads of people who were not responsible.

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Yes, if millions of your people get slaughtered, you should do everything you can to make sure that nobody ever, ever forgets it. As the old saying goes, those who do not know their history are doomed to repeat it. And might I add, those who do not care about their history as well.


FYI, the Jews are not the only ones trying to make sure nobody ever forgets their loss; they are just the most successful. The Armenians have been vigorously trying to make people understand their horror for almost a century. When a Nazi asked Hitler how it was possible that they could get away with the Holocaust, Hitler answered, "Who remembers the Armenians?" That is the danger of not, as you put it, "rubbing it in everyone's faces" whenever a genocide happens. Not that the Armenians haven't been trying to rub their loss in everyone's faces; if anything, they've been trying harder than the Jews. They just still run into trouble doing so with the denial of the perpetrator (Turkey), unlike the Jews.

History has in fact repeated itself since the Holocaust, in lesser yet still horrible ways - to name just two incidents, in Rwanda and Darfur. But at least every time it has happened, people have seen it for what it is - genocide. And we have Jewish face-rubbing to thank for that.

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I never realized the Jewish holocaust was the capital holocaust from which all other ones were measured...

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I myself think we should do away with lobbying

Those humans who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat the cycle in some forum in the future. Any student of history, can tell you that this saying is true. There have been many genocides over the years that we haven't learned from, and so because of that the Holocaust is the worst thing that had come out in humanity, and the only other genocide that can compare to the Holocaust is Darfur.

However, I'm sick and tired of people claiming Hitter only killed Jews which he actually killed many races not just the Jews. He put in his ****ed up concentration camps the Jews, blacks, Elderly, Gypsies, disabled patients, people with mental illnesses, prisoners of war, homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, and his political opponents which included communists, Socialists, and trade unionists. He considered these people not fit to live, because he thought he was superior to them I think we should teach our children that this man was an monster who was the one not fit too live he killed millions of people to have his "pure white Aryan race..."

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Dav said:

Gee, I dunno.... maybe because a third of their population was slaughtered? Just a guess.

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Actually, the population of the world's Jewish community was 9 million at the time, the victims have made two-thirds of the population.

Demon of Light said:

Actually the statement "Jews control the media" is factually evident.

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To imply that a single race controls all of the news outlets is a racist statement, and that's factually evident.

Actually, the 6 million figures seems almost certainly to be an overstatement, based on rather crude calculation methods. It seems to be 5 million at most, though probably even lower than that. It is still probably more than 4 million.

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Wrong, the figure is just a bit under 6 million, around 5.9 million.
The claim that fewer Jews have perished is a claim that is identified with holocaust denial, and a claim that of course has no scientific or factual basis.

It can be a negative thing if it is used to excuse or justify brutality in the present. Look at what's going on with Iran. I have little doubt a war with Iran would be far worse than most are predicting and it will likely be done under the false pretense of preventing another Holocaust. No genocide in history has been used to justify the brutality and abuse that the Holocaust has been used to justify.

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Such attack would be justified with the Iranian leadership's statements and steps towards a nuclear bomb and not with the Holocaust.
There is absolutely no logical reasoning behind your claim that the Holocaust should not be memorized and remembered.

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RyrineaHaruno said:

I myself think we should do away with lobbying

Those humans who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat the cycle in some forum in the future. Any student of history, can tell you that this saying is true. There have been many genocides over the years that we haven't learned from, and so because of that the Holocaust is the worst thing that had come out in humanity, and the only other genocide that can compare to the Holocaust is Darfur.

However, I'm sick and tired of people claiming Hitter only killed Jews which he actually killed many races not just the Jews. He put in his ****ed up concentration camps the Jews, blacks, Elderly, Gypsies, disabled patients, people with mental illnesses, prisoners of war, homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, and his political opponents which included communists, Socialists, and trade unionists. He considered these people not fit to live, because he thought he was superior to them I think we should teach our children that this man was an monster who was the one not fit too live he killed millions of people to have his "pure white Aryan race..."

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Actually, the only other group that the Nazis have killed in the gas chambers besides the Jews are the Gypsies.
The reason why the Holocaust is mainly recognized with the Jews is obviously due to the number factor.

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VanceMack said:

Now Stone is apologizing. I HATE that...I wish he would have just stuck his chin out, stood his ground, and said yeah bitch, I said it...now what? Instead of lying and saying..."oh...Im sorry...I didnt REALLY mean that..." Yes you did, you assclown...you are sorry you didnt THINK before you engaged your MOUTH...but you still meant it.

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I think his apology was very well stated and I for one have regained some manner of respect for him. His initial point, while valid, was very clumsily delivered and he was right to issue a public apology.

"In trying to make a broader historical point about the range of atrocities the Germans committed against many people, I made a clumsy association about the Holocaust, for which I am sorry and I regret," Stone said in a statement released by his publicist. "Jews obviously do not control media or any other industry. The fact that the Holocaust is still a very important, vivid and current matter today is, in fact, a great credit to the very hard work of a broad coalition of people committed to the remembrance of this atrocity -- and it was an atrocity."

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Wrong, the figure is just a bit under 6 million, around 5.9 million.
The claim that fewer Jews have perished is a claim that is identified with holocaust denial, and a claim that of course has no scientific or factual basis.

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And you point your childish finger screaming more died and that to say less died is holocaust denial.

Such attack would be justified with the Iranian leadership's statements and steps towards a nuclear bomb and not with the Holocaust.
There is absolutely no logical reasoning behind your claim that the Holocaust should not be memorized and remembered.

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Hrrm you called me an arab when I first posted on this forum, and now youre calling him an Iranian. Is it possible that internalizing and turning the holocaust into a national holiday is psychologically affecting you and your nation in a negative way?

To imply that a single race controls all of the news outlets is a racist statement, and that's factually evident.

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Yet the truth is Jews have a greater effect on the american media than say, muslims, or vegans. Does this make me a racist to point this out?

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Apocalypse said:

Actually, the only other group that the Nazis have killed in the gas chambers besides the Jews are the Gypsies.
The reason why the Holocaust is mainly recognized with the Jews is obviously due to the number factor.

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Oh, I was wondering if it was because of the lack of a gypsy lobby... silly me.

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SE102 said:

And you point your childish finger screaming more died and that to say less died is holocaust denial.

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SE102, this statement constitutes as a personal attack and is hence reported to the moderation team of the forum.
Besides that, it is indeed realized that the implication that fewer Jews have died in the Holocaust than it is recognized is a form of holocaust denial.

Hrrm you called me an arab when I first posted on this forum, and now youre calling him an Iranian.

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I have no idea what are you talking about, I don't remember calling you an Arab and in my post to Demon of Light I have not "called him an Iranian".

Is it possible that internalizing and turning the holocaust into a national holiday is psychologically affecting you and your nation in a negative way?

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Again, post reported due to personal attacks.

Yet the truth is Jews have a greater effect on the american media than say, muslims, or vegans. Does this make me a racist to point this out?

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Once more, the implication that one single race controls all of the news outlets of a state is a racist implication.
The Nazis at their time for example have preached about Jews controlling the media, the banking system, etc. and using this control to betray the "German Empire" during the first world war, causing its defeat.

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Demon of Light said:

Actually, the 6 million figures seems almost certainly to be an overstatement, based on rather crude calculation methods. It seems to be 5 million at most, though probably even lower than that. It is still probably more than 4 million.

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I don't see how that makes any difference. Were it just 5'000, it wouldn't change anything. It wouldn't make their extermination any less inexcusable. I would still defend the right of those 5'000 people to never let the world forget.

It can be a negative thing if it is used to excuse or justify brutality in the present. Look at what's going on with Iran. I have little doubt a war with Iran would be far worse than most are predicting and it will likely be done under the false pretense of preventing another Holocaust. No genocide in history has been used to justify the brutality and abuse that the Holocaust has been used to justify.

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I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Had the world known in advance that Hitler's plan was to exterminate a whole generation of Jews, would it have been wrong to thwart that plan with a preemptive attack on Germany before the really ugly stuff even started? Similarly, if it becomes clear that Iran would initiate a nuclear war with Israel, wouldn't the sensible thing to do be to try and stop it from happening?

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SE102 said:

I never realized the Jewish holocaust was the capital holocaust from which all other ones were measured...

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Um... okay? Not really sure where you got this idea, or what your point is.

RyrineaHaruno said:

However, I'm sick and tired of people claiming Hitter only killed Jews

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I've never actually heard anyone claim this.
Keep in mind that most of the non-Jews that got killed were political dissidents - which doesn't make it any better by any means, but the point is that the Jews were not only the group killed in the largest numbers, but by a much greater margin the largest victims of Nazi Aryan supremacism.

Apocalypse said:

Actually, the population of the world's Jewish community was 9 million at the time, the victims have made two-thirds of the population.

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There were about 9 million Jews in Europe, and about 17 million worldwide.

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Dav said:

There were about 9 million Jews in Europe, and about 17 million worldwide.

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Correct, I was confusing between the European community and the world community, point taken.

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Apocalypse said:

SE102, this statement constitutes as a personal attack and is hence reported to the moderation team of the forum.
Besides that, it is indeed realized that the implication that fewer Jews have died in the Holocaust than it is recognized is a form of holocaust denial.

I have no idea what are you talking about, I don't remember calling you an Arab and in my post to Demon of Light I have not "called him an Iranian".

Again, post reported due to personal attacks.

Once more, the implication that one single race controls all of the news outlets of a state is a racist implication.
The Nazis at their time for example have preached about Jews controlling the media, the banking system, etc. and using this control to betray the "German Empire" during the first world war, causing its defeat.

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You dont have to participate to the convo if you think you're under attack. My first thread I participated in you called me a confused arab and posted all these smilies with little signs making fun of me. I don't think you got any flak for that.

Is it possible that internalizing and turning the holocaust into a national holiday is psychologically affecting you and your nation in a negative way?
Again, post reported due to personal attacks.

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Why, Its a legitimate question that has been asked before. Lots of Jews think that Israel should grow out of 'holocaust obsession'. Anyways, just to clarify, the Shoa as I understand is a holiday dedicated to the holocaust where Israelis fire of fireworks etc etc.

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Dav said:

Um... okay? Not really sure where you got this idea, or what your point is.

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I admit, it was unrelated.

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Moderator's Warning:

Stick to the topic at hand and stop with the personal attacks.

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Apocalypse said:

Actually, the only other group that the Nazis have killed in the gas chambers besides the Jews are the Gypsies.
The reason why the Holocaust is mainly recognized with the Jews is obviously due to the number factor.

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Wrong, he put many other races in the death camps, and chambers not just the Jewish people Mosaic Victims and the number of Jews who died should not be the deducing factor in placing the Holocaust as a Jews only genocide. I like the term most Jews use for their part in the holocaust as their Shoah. The actual total number of victims should be at least 11 million to 17 million people Which including many races not just the Jewish race.

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SE102 said:

You dont have to participate to the convo if you think you're under attack. My first thread I participated in you called me a confused arab and posted all these smilies with little signs making fun of me. I don't think you got any flak for that.

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The rules of this forum forbid personal attacks, and those who engage in them may be infracted.
You are not a new member to this forum and by now you already know that.
I again do not remember calling you "a confused Arab", and I don't see where did I call poster Demon of Light "an Iranian".

Why, Its a legitimate question that has been asked before. Lots of Jews think that Israel should grow out of 'holocaust obsession'. Anyways, just to clarify, the Shoa as I understand is a holiday dedicated to the holocaust where Israelis fire of fireworks etc etc.

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I have once more no idea what are you talking about, the Shoa is another name for the Holocaust, and during the Holocaust memorial day there obviously are no fireworks.

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RyrineaHaruno said:

Wrong, he put many other races in the death camps, and chambers not just the Jewish people Mosaic Victims and the number of Jews who died should not be the deducing factor in placing the Holocaust as a Jews only genocide. I like the term most Jews use for their part in the holocaust as their Shoah. The actual total number of victims should be at least 11 million to 17 million people Which including many races not just the Jewish race.

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First of all the Holocaust is by no means recognized as a holocaust of Jews alone, it is merely recognized with the Jews more than with other races due to the number factor and to the fact that the Jews were the race the Nazis have preached against the most.

Secondly the only ones to be put in the gas chambers were the Jews and Gypsies.

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The Encyclopædia Britannica defines "Holocaust" as "the systematic state-sponsored killing of six million Jewish men, women, and children and millions of others by Nazi Germany and its collaborators during World War II"[3], although the article goes on to say, "The Nazis also singled out the Roma (Gypsies). They were the only other group that the Nazis systematically killed in gas chambers alongside the Jews."[3]

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Arcana XV said:

I think his apology was very well stated and I for one have regained some manner of respect for him. His initial point, while valid, was very clumsily delivered and he was right to issue a public apology.

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Then the roses should come up nicely in another month or two...

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Arcana XV said:

I think his apology was very well stated and I for one have regained some manner of respect for him. His initial point, while valid, was very clumsily delivered and he was right to issue a public apology.

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I don't think he should have apologized at all. It may have been awkward and clumsy but he didn't say anything that was untrue. It's a fact that there is a strong Jewish presence in the media and it is also accurate that any attempt to view Hitler as anything but a red eyed boogey man who ate Jewish babies is met with an immediate attack with the "anti-Semite" slur. You cannot have a study of Hitler without paying the required nod of sympathy to the Jews without having some Jewish league or other come out whining about how you hate them for not giving them their perceived deserved place as the Earth's primary victims.

Look at what the Jewish coalitions did just for him making a clumsy statement...they came out in force, immediately calling him an anti-Semite and likening him to Mel Gibson, who actually did say some anti-Semetic things in his rant. To me, the word anti-Semite carries the same value as any of the other race cards played by Sharpton or Jackson or any of the other race baiters: absolutely nothing. If someone calls me an anti-Semite, racist, bigot, whatever...I just don't care any more.

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I don't know about Jews dominating the media or whatever, but I do honestly feel that the history of Hitler taught in schools is very biased. He was an economic genius and that was the primary reason why he got voted into power, and not because of his radical world views. He was the first prominent politician to give the finger to France and instruct Germany's industry to keep expanding in order to provide for its people, even though it could risk war. There is practically nothing taught at the high school level about what a disaster the Treaty of Versailles was and how it facilitated Hitler's rise to power; that Treaty was one of the worst things to ever happen to the western world because of what it later caused.

There is virtually no talk anywhere of how Hitler was well into the onset of Parkinson's disease, which commonly causes psychiatric problems; nor is it mentioned that from 1942 onward he was receiving methamphetamine injections to manage the disease, which, as we know, causes further neurological problems.

I am not saying Hitler was a good guy. I'm not saying what he ordered was excusable by any stretch of the imagination. What I'm saying is that simply calling him "evil" while omitting all other factors that helped him rise to power, and his descent into madness, is just willful censorship of history. This is all because we have been so heavily indoctrinated to hate Hitler that any mention of the good he did is seen as praising him as a whole, including what he did to the Jews. The Jewish Holocaust basically overshadows everything else that came before it during Hitler's political career.