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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    You miss my point entirely. My point is that when speaking to a Jew or about the topic of Hitler, period, it's almost expected that you will speak with a tone of contrition for what Hitler did to the Jews even if the topic isn't about that aspect of Hitler's regime at all.
    "When speaking to a Jew"?
    What do you mean?

    And no, I don't identify the Holocaust first and foremost with Hitler. Sorry. I just don't. I tend to identify his military mistakes, inflated and reckless ambitions, occult fascinations and his powerful successes in pulling Germany out of economic ruin in such a short time. The Jews are a secondary issue to the history of WW2 in my perception.
    That's an opinion that I cannot understand, Hitler is mostly identified with the Holocaust rather than with his economical policies due to the difference in the importance and effects of the actions.
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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Yeah, I don't get that either. Hitler is most identified with the Holocaust and the brutal killings of millions of people. The other things are secondary in as far as the mark he left on the world.
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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    What you are talking about is the more common usage of historical revisionism... negationism. Historical revision based on factual investigation, without being ideologically based is fine. It's when it is based on negating historical facts that it isn't.
    I agree with this. The issue I see with "Holocaust revisionism" is that many want to deny what we know to be fact in order to de-legitimize the atrocity that was the Holocaust. I haven't done extensive study into this area, but I also haven't seen or heard of a valid argument where someone presents their reasons for doubting the historical account of the Holocaust that we have today. Typically those who want to look into it and "revise" history want to do so for political means. Those who deny it are outright fools and for the most part do so because they have a problem believing that the Jewish people went through the Holocaust. In regards to Oliver Stone's beliefs, I think they are wrong. There is no Jewish media that is trying to contort or falsely depict the Holocaust, and there is no Jewish conspiracy that has revised history to make the Holocaust factually incorrect in order to gain sympathy for the Jewish people. He doesn't really present a valid reason for holding beliefs outside of saying "Jews are in the media, and all Jews will misrepresent the Holocaust and hitler, therefore we don't know the truth due to the Jewish media's bias and out of context reporting."
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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I get sick of them using the Holocaust, which is about to be fully a lifetime behind us and soon no one will be alive anymore who took part or was a victim of it, to advance completely unrelated agendas and as an excuse to get butthurt about some minor offense like an awkward statement by a celebrity. It's like the Holocaust is their Ace they can play every time the cards don't fall how they want. It gets old.

    And frankly, while I believe the Holocaust is up there in terms of the magnitude of human atrocity, there are other people in this world who are suffering just as badly, if not worse. I'm just not even moved by the whole topic anymore.
    I suppose that's one risk they take, making people sick of hearing about it. Still, I prefer it to be this way, rather than to have it all forgotten about, or hardly ever mentioned as was always the case for the Armenian genocide.
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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    "When speaking to a Jew"?
    What do you mean?
    I'm not being snarky here but...what exactly do you want me to explain?


    That's an opinion that I cannot understand, Hitler is mostly identified with the Holocaust rather than with his economical policies due to the difference in the importance and effects of the actions.
    If it hadn't been Jews, it would have been the next target. In looking at his methods, with clear eyes devoid of all the Western guilt thrust upon us for actions we never took part in, you come to understand that his hatred of the Jews wasn't even hatred at all. It was scapegoating to unify his people. Had the Jews not been there and available, he would have chosen something else. The Jews are secondary to the Hitler issue.

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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I'm not being snarky here but...what exactly do you want me to explain?
    What did you mean with "When speaking to a Jew"?
    Do you believe that you'd only get a specific reaction on that subject from a person if he is Jewish?

    If it hadn't been Jews, it would have been the next target. In looking at his methods, with clear eyes devoid of all the Western guilt thrust upon us for actions we never took part in, you come to understand that his hatred of the Jews wasn't even hatred at all. It was scapegoating to unify his people. Had the Jews not been there and available, he would have chosen something else. The Jews are secondary to the Hitler issue.
    Perhaps, but it was the Jews, and his actions of exterminating two-thirds of the Jewish-European community, or one third of the Jewish world community, are indeed the most influencing and most important action he has taken in his time as a ruler. His policies of racism and the belief in a superior race were two of his core values.
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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    He was a fascist. A lot of his economic policies were based on Mussolini's concept of fascism. This was NOT socialism.
    Both Hitler and Mussolini were socialists, before they were facsists. Facism is based on socialism
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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I'm not being snarky here but...what exactly do you want me to explain?




    If it hadn't been Jews, it would have been the next target. In looking at his methods, with clear eyes devoid of all the Western guilt thrust upon us for actions we never took part in, you come to understand that his hatred of the Jews wasn't even hatred at all. It was scapegoating to unify his people. Had the Jews not been there and available, he would have chosen something else. The Jews are secondary to the Hitler issue.
    You cannot discuss his end goals without placing a major focus on the means in which he attepted to reach those goals. His brutality and mass killings were the thing he will be most remembered for; it defined the regime he created. And yes, if it wasn't the Jews, it would have been someone else. But it WAS the Jews.
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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Both Hitler and Mussolini were socialists, before they were facsists. Facism is based on socialism
    Fascism is an anti-left wing philosophy. I could explain how it is NOT socialism, but this is not the thread for it.
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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You cannot discuss his end goals without placing a major focus on the means in which he attepted to reach those goals. His brutality and mass killings were the thing he will be most remembered for; it defined the regime he created. And yes, if it wasn't the Jews, it would have been someone else. But it WAS the Jews.
    OK, so it was the Jews. It was also the gypsies, homos, and assorted others. I just don't see why Jews get elevated to this "MIV" (most important victim) status over all the others.

    And yeah, you most certainly can study Hitler's political goals and methods apart from the Holocaust. The dynamic going on in Nazi Germany and the politics of the world at the time did involve a bigger picture than some jews getting cyanide showers alongside various other victims, despite the Jewish myth that it was all about them.
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