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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    To imply that a single race controls all of the news outlets is a racist statement, and that's factually evident.
    Silly goober, you don't need to control all the businesses to control the industry. Most of the major news channels and newspapers are controlled by Jews and many of the others take their cues from those channels and newspapers. By extension Jews in effect control the media.

    Also, there is nothing racist about stating something factual especially when it doesn't concern a race. While there is a distinct genetic group that corresponds to the Jewish population this does not make them a race.

    Oliver Stone is correct to say Jews control the media and that, as a result, certain things are suppressed because ultimately many Jews are quite offended by any attempt to humanize Hitler or, as they see it, trivialize the Holocaust.

    Wrong, the figure is just a bit under 6 million, around 5.9 million.
    Raul Hilberg's Destruction of the European Jews estimated 5.1 million and while it was seen as a conservative estimate documentation has been found showing even his estimates for deaths inside some of the camps were substantially higher than the actual number of deaths. Many citing a figure closer to 6 million use the census and a bunch of other fuddly-duddly methods that have proven to be terribly inaccurate.

    The claim that fewer Jews have perished is a claim that is identified with holocaust denial, and a claim that of course has no scientific or factual basis.
    So more than 4 million and less than 5 million is saying the Holocaust didn't happen?

    Such attack would be justified with the Iranian leadership's statements and steps towards a nuclear bomb and not with the Holocaust.
    You and I both know the Holocaust has and will be brought up in any justification for war.

    There is absolutely no logical reasoning behind your claim that the Holocaust should not be memorized and remembered.
    I never said it shouldn't, but we can certainly avoid using it to advance unrelated political and military agendas today.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Actually, the only other group that the Nazis have killed in the gas chambers besides the Jews are the Gypsies.
    That is patently false. Gas chambers were used in the euthanasia campaign as well as being used against Poles and Soviet POWs. While there was no immediate intent to exterminate Poles and other Slavs the intention was definitely to wipe out these populations as well, however they were much larger populations and thus it would have required more time or substantially more infrastructure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    I don't see how that makes any difference. Were it just 5'000, it wouldn't change anything. It wouldn't make their extermination any less inexcusable.
    It makes a difference if you want to be accurate. Plus any exaggeration should be discouraged.

    I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Had the world known in advance that Hitler's plan was to exterminate a whole generation of Jews, would it have been wrong to thwart that plan with a preemptive attack on Germany before the really ugly stuff even started? Similarly, if it becomes clear that Iran would initiate a nuclear war with Israel, wouldn't the sensible thing to do be to try and stop it from happening?
    Except Iran has no intent to initiate a nuclear war as this would end their government. Rather their desire is to have a deterrent that shields them from Israeli or U.S. military action. Talk of a second Holocaust is just a nice little way to get the proles running scared to their governments for protection.
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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    I think many blacks in the media have prevented slave masters from being portrayed in conte. They always depict them as these harsh, racist, rich white people who committed atrocities.

    /sarcasm

    See how silly that is? Slavery was evil, hitler was evil. There is no cover up and there isn't some media conspiracy to paint them out of context. The problem is that the context is accurate, and it is true that hitler was evil. I don't know why this would bother anyone unless they sympathized with hitler or supported him. (hitler is in lowercase letters because such scum doesn't deserve to be capitalized).
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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I don't think he should have apologized at all. It may have been awkward and clumsy but he didn't say anything that was untrue. It's a fact that there is a strong Jewish presence in the media and it is also accurate that any attempt to view Hitler as anything but a red eyed boogey man who ate Jewish babies is met with an immediate attack with the "anti-Semite" slur. You cannot have a study of Hitler without paying the required nod of sympathy to the Jews without having some Jewish league or other come out whining about how you hate them for not giving them their perceived deserved place as the Earth's primary victims.

    Look at what the Jewish coalitions did just for him making a clumsy statement...they came out in force, immediately calling him an anti-Semite and likening him to Mel Gibson, who actually did say some anti-Semetic things in his rant. To me, the word anti-Semite carries the same value as any of the other race cards played by Sharpton or Jackson or any of the other race baiters: absolutely nothing. If someone calls me an anti-Semite, racist, bigot, whatever...I just don't care any more.
    I understand all that. I don't really have an issue with anyone trying to give a more realistic portrayal of Hitler as the complex individual he was. Nor do I have anything against anyone pointing out that Jews were not the only ones to suffer greatly during WWII. That's why I said his actual point was valid. My problem with his initial statement is that the point got completely lost under the implication that the Jewish people have gone too far in their effort to not allow the world to forget. That to me was utterly shocking. The world should never forget and the Jewish people have every right to keep reminding us of it.
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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    IDk, considering over a hundred million people died to genocide or political oppression and only 6 million of them were Jews...
    Jews were the single largest minority group singled out by the Nazi's for complete extermination. They bore the brunt of Nazi atrocities.

    And if there were more movies on it rather than other genocides
    And if american consciousness is formed by film...



    I dont like the way he says 'jewish domination', but there is a heavy hand of jewish (and in the open and completely legal) interest in the news media,
    Prove that there is a greater Jewish representation in the media than any other ethnicity. And if there is are you suggesting that Jews as a people somehow act any differently from gentiles?

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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    Silly goober, you don't need to control all the businesses to control the industry. Most of the major news channels and newspapers are controlled by Jews and many of the others take their cues from those channels and newspapers. By extension Jews in effect control the media.

    Also, there is nothing racist about stating something factual especially when it doesn't concern a race. While there is a distinct genetic group that corresponds to the Jewish population this does not make them a race.

    Oliver Stone is correct to say Jews control the media and that, as a result, certain things are suppressed because ultimately many Jews are quite offended by any attempt to humanize Hitler or, as they see it, trivialize the Holocaust.
    Racial discrimination may be referred to an ethnicity, in this case the Jewish ethnicity.
    Nevertheless, I'd like to know what are you basing the part I've marked on.

    Raul Hilberg's Destruction of the European Jews estimated 5.1 million and while it was seen as a conservative estimate documentation has been found showing even his estimates for deaths inside some of the camps were substantially higher than the actual number of deaths. Many citing a figure closer to 6 million use the census and a bunch of other fuddly-duddly methods that have proven to be terribly inaccurate.
    And where is the proof?

    So more than 4 million and less than 5 million is saying the Holocaust didn't happen?
    Suggesting that less than 5 million Jews have perished in the Holocaust is indeed by definition a form of Holocaust Denial, if only partial.

    You and I both know the Holocaust has and will be brought up in any justification for war.
    No, I'm afraid my mentality is ages away from even resembling something that could, if only by the smallest odds, be mistaken as your mentality.

    I never said it shouldn't, but we can certainly avoid using it to advance unrelated political and military agendas today.
    That is a common claim by the Holocaust denying crowd, it would seem.
    For example, here's a passage from Wikipedia describing the Holocaust Denial practice:

    Holocaust denial - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Holocaust denial consists of claims that the genocide of Jews during World War II—usually referred to as the Holocaust[1]—did not occur at all, or that it did not happen in the manner or to the extent historically recognized. Key elements of these claims are the rejection of any of the following: that the German Nazi government had a policy of deliberately targeting Jews for extermination as a people; that more than five million Jews[1] were systematically killed by the Nazis and their allies; and that genocide was carried out at extermination camps using tools of mass murder, such as gas chambers.[2][3]

    Holocaust deniers generally do not accept the term "denial" as an appropriate description of their point of view, and use the term Holocaust revisionism instead.[4] Scholars use the term "denial" to differentiate Holocaust deniers from historical revisionists, who use established historical methodologies.[5] The methodologies of Holocaust deniers are criticized as based on a predetermined conclusion that ignores extensive historical evidence to the contrary.[6]

    Most Holocaust denial claims imply, or openly state, that the Holocaust is a hoax arising out of a deliberate Jewish conspiracy to advance the interest of Jews at the expense of other peoples.[7] For this reason, Holocaust denial is generally considered to be an antisemitic[8] conspiracy theory.[9]
    I would say that's a bullseye on some of the statement risen in this thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light
    That is patently false. Gas chambers were used in the euthanasia campaign as well as being used against Poles and Soviet POWs. While there was no immediate intent to exterminate Poles and other Slavs the intention was definitely to wipe out these populations as well, however they were much larger populations and thus it would have required more time or substantially more infrastructure.
    I believe I was quoting an encyclopedia making this exact statement?
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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    Silly goober, you don't need to control all the businesses to control the industry. Most of the major news channels and newspapers are controlled by Jews and many of the others take their cues from those channels and newspapers. By extension Jews in effect control the media.

    Also, there is nothing racist about stating something factual especially when it doesn't concern a race. While there is a distinct genetic group that corresponds to the Jewish population this does not make them a race.

    Oliver Stone is correct to say Jews control the media and that, as a result, certain things are suppressed because ultimately many Jews are quite offended by any attempt to humanize Hitler or, as they see it, trivialize the Holocaust.
    A) Prove that Jews have more representation in the media than anyother ethnic group.

    B) Even if this typical anti-semitic claim that Jews control the media was true, are you suggesting that Jews as a people somehow act differently from gentiles?

    So more than 4 million and less than 5 million is saying the Holocaust didn't happen?
    4 million died at the death camps alone, that doesn't count those killed by pogroms, mass shootings, ghetoization etc.

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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    I don't know about Jews dominating the media or whatever, but I do honestly feel that the history of Hitler taught in schools is very biased. He was an economic genius
    Really? How so exactly? The Nazi's only continued the economic policies of the previous administration; such as, reducing unemployment through public works like the Autobahn the only thing the Nazi's did was spend more and more money for rearmament which eventually led to an economic crisis which started in 1936 which reached a climax in 1939 which only ended when they shifted to a full wartime economy built on military Keynesianism.

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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    As to the anti-Semitic canard that "Jews are controlling the media":

    Antisemitic canard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Accusations of controlling the media

    The media watchdog group Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting documented the antisemitic canard that the "Jews control the media",[72] and they trace its origins to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion (protocol twelve) and to Henry Ford's Dearborn Independent. J. J. Goldberg, Editorial Director of the newspaper The Forward, analyzed this myth[73] and concludes that, although Jews do hold many prominent positions in the U.S. media industry, they "do not make a high priority of Jewish concerns" and that Jewish Americans generally perceive the media as anti-Israel.[74] Variants on this theme have focused on Hollywood, the press,[75][76][77][78] and the music industry.[79][80][81][82][83]
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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think many blacks in the media have prevented slave masters from being portrayed in conte. They always depict them as these harsh, racist, rich white people who committed atrocities.

    /sarcasm

    See how silly that is? Slavery was evil, hitler was evil. There is no cover up and there isn't some media conspiracy to paint them out of context. The problem is that the context is accurate, and it is true that hitler was evil. I don't know why this would bother anyone unless they sympathized with hitler or supported him. (hitler is in lowercase letters because such scum doesn't deserve to be capitalized).
    Actually, it could be said with a straight face, about the slave owners, because many valued their slaves highly. Slaves were the caretakers of their children, teachers, house attendants, etc. The idea of the harsh slave master beating his slaves over the slightest offense is not historically accurate if one goes back and looks at period writings, letters, and diaries.

    And no one here has made any assertion that Hitler was anything less than evil. The assertion has been that there were a lot more complex issues going on there than what is typically permitted to be taught.

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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    It makes a difference if you want to be accurate. Plus any exaggeration should be discouraged.
    Fair 'nuff.

    Except Iran has no intent to initiate a nuclear war as this would end their government. Rather their desire is to have a deterrent that shields them from Israeli or U.S. military action. Talk of a second Holocaust is just a nice little way to get the proles running scared to their governments for protection.
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