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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Whatever's clever they ate at eachother's restaurants, regardless there's no evidence that Campisi himself was a member of the mob.
    It helped that the Dallas cops were willing to deny any criminal activity was taking place.

    Somethings pretty delusional when you're asserting that the mob would use a known snitch to perform the hit on the man who killed the President on their behalf.
    You know, at first I was gonna ask you about that, but I looked into it and it appears he was briefly considered as an informant for the FBI, but he gave them all this bad information about stuff going on on the other side of the country. You should look into the Winter Hill Gang. They were informants too. Those Irish mobsters told the FBI everything they needed to know to bring down the Italian mob in their area.

    A knows B and B knows C =/= A knows B. It is not a compelling case for anything.
    I think you made a mistake there.

    Ya I'm not digging through 20+ pages what's there names and what are the associations?
    The one with most of the names is only nine pages and it is hardly a chore to look through. Just to make it easier I suggest with the first link you start at page 6 all the names will be in italics and have little paragraphs describing the nature of their mob affiliation. The other you can pretty much read through that whole thing as it deals with the nature of his visit to Cuba. However, if you just want their conclusions about its nature you can jump to page 19.

    Again this makes no sense, Oswald has not been demonstrated to have any mob connections, the only guy you have named and not file dumped onto me is Campisi and it is said he was not personally a member of the mob. Apparently low level wise coming into Ruby's club = mob ties.
    It did not say he was not a member of the member, only that they couldn't prove it. He was suspected of involvement in illegal gambling for years but they couldn't get the evidence. It is actually believed after Joseph Civello died that Campisi took over the Dallas mob.
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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    It helped that the Dallas cops were willing to deny any criminal activity was taking place.
    Maybe because he wasn't engaged in illegal activity?

    You know, at first I was gonna ask you about that, but I looked into it and it appears he was briefly considered as an informant for the FBI, but he gave them all this bad information about stuff going on on the other side of the country. You should look into the Winter Hill Gang. They were informants too. Those Irish mobsters told the FBI everything they needed to know to bring down the Italian mob in their area.
    I didn't even know he was a rat for the FBI I just knew he was a CI for the Dallas police department and informed them of criminal activities he overheard about in his clubs.

    The one with most of the names is only nine pages and it is hardly a chore to look through. Just to make it easier I suggest with the first link you start at page 6 all the names will be in italics and have little paragraphs describing the nature of their mob affiliation. The other you can pretty much read through that whole thing as it deals with the nature of his visit to Cuba. However, if you just want their conclusions about its nature you can jump to page 19.
    Allright the first one is referring to Mathews, apparently Ruby called Mathews' wife, it a) doesn't say that Mathew's was a member of the mob, and b) doesn't demonstrate a direct connection to RD Mathews in the first place.

    The second name is Lewis McWillie, it says he worked at a mob controlled casino but does not say that he himself was a member of the mob, it likewise only states that he and Ruby were passing Acquentences. It says that Ruby idolized him it doesn't say that McWillie gave two ****s about Ruby.

    The third on the list is again not himself a member of the mafia but a bondsman who had mob connects, once again A knows B, B knows C =/= A knows C that stands for the two previous examples as well.

    Allright that does it for page number 6. so far no direct Ruby-Mafia connection, how about you tell me which names and pg. numbers which you think best prove the Ruby - Mafia connection so I don't have to go through dissecting this **** one by one?
    It did not say he was not a member of the member, only that they couldn't prove it. He was suspected of involvement in illegal gambling for years but they couldn't get the evidence. It is actually believed after Joseph Civello died that Campisi took over the Dallas mob.
    Beliefs and may haves =/= evidence.

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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Maybe because he wasn't engaged in illegal activity?
    Suuuuuurrrrrrre.

    I didn't even know he was a rat for the FBI I just knew he was a CI for the Dallas police department and informed them of criminal activities he overheard about in his clubs.
    You didn't even seem to care about the comment on the Winter Hill Gang. Organized crime often inform to the police, but only on those people who are competitors or otherwise not a threat. In fact, it gives them protection since a reliable informant is more useful for a cop than a single bust that may not stick.

    In fact, given it coinciding with his Cuba trip the HSCA thought he may have known he would be engaged in illicit activities and planned to use informant status as a shield against prosecution.

    Given that no talk of his informant status involved anything regarding Cuba this seems to be the likely explanation. Then you have interesting things like this: Associates of Jack Ruby. According to Ruby's own testimony he was looking to get weapons to Castro and given the additional comments made by the person he apparently contacted, as well as fairly reliable reports of Ruby meeting Santos Trafficante who was in a Cuban prison at the time, it appears Ruby may have been looking to secure the release of several of high-level mobsters at the behest of other mob figures.

    The second name is Lewis McWillie, it says he worked at a mob controlled casino but does not say that he himself was a member of the mob, it likewise only states that he and Ruby were passing Acquentences. It says that Ruby idolized him it doesn't say that McWillie gave two ****s about Ruby.
    I told you to look at page 19 on the other. It deals in more depth with the McWillie connection.

    The third on the list is again not himself a member of the mafia but a bondsman who had mob connects, once again A knows B, B knows C =/= A knows C that stands for the two previous examples as well.
    He was probably not a member of the mafia, but he definitely worked for the mafia. I am not suggesting Jack Ruby necessarily knew these people who were associated with the people he had talked to, but rather that the people he talked to, by the nature of their mob ties, provide further corroboration for Jack Ruby being tied up with the mob.

    Allright that does it for page number 6.
    I said start at page 6, meaning read the other three pages after that. Honestly, it's nine pages.

    Beliefs and may haves =/= evidence.
    These are things members of law enforcement believed. I think that should give it a least a little credibility.
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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    I can understand what Stone is saying, I don't really agree with him, but I think he is a fascinating guy and at least the movies of his that I have watched are good. Looking forward to Wall Street 2.

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