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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    So those motorcycles right next to the president's car in the Zapruder Film are secret service?

    And the force for his head to go back so quickly came from where?
    A) His head went forward before it went backwards.

    B) Sometimes people shot in the back of the head have their head snap forwards and sometimes they snap backwards, it all depends on the direction the muscles decide to spasm.

    C) The audio analsysis said that the motorcycle cop with the open microphone had to be at 4 certain points of reference at 4 precise times, the computer animation which combines several visual records of the events into a continious 3-D map proves conclusively that no motorcycle cop was anywhere near those 4 points at those 4 certain times, the audio analysts made a huge assumption and they were wrong. The falsity of the acoustic analysis from the House Select Committee is no longer in question:

    SECRETS OF A HOMICIDE: ACOUSTICS - EPIPOLAR GEOMETRIC ANALYSIS OF AMATEUR FILMS RELATED TO ACOUSTICS EVIDENCE IN THE JOHN F. KENNEDY ASSASSINATION
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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    That is not the type of witness testimony which is credible. I agreed that character witnesses testimony is acceptable IE a wife or bestfriend testifying to the persons mob ties.
    Translation: "The only credible eyewitness testimony is the testimony that serves my bias."

    lol I guess people in a sitting position must remain in a sitting position. I mean the guy could have never have stood up or anything.
    Yeah, only problem is the person in the picture is clearly not wearing what the alleged man himself said he was wearing and was photographed wearing later, while it looks a lot like what Oswald was wearing. In any event it seems pretty clear to me that person standing there was not the person the FBI claimed.

    So he knew two guys who may have had a ties to the mob.



    Which two guys? When were these alleged two guys supposed to have had their connections to this local mob boss? Who was this alleged mob boss? What were their ties to that local mob boss? What was Ruby's connections to these two guys?

    What you are doing is saying that A knew B and B knew C so A must have known C. That is not a serious connection at all.
    It's a lot more serious than that:

    AARC Public Digital Library - HSCA Appendix to Hearings - Volume IX, pg

    There's a lot of interesting information in there actually.

    We are not talking about an alibi here we are talking about someone who remembered as an afterthought when questioned that Oswald was at a certain place at an exact time, this is the exact kind of eyewitness testimony which is completely unreliable.
    If this was someone who did not know Oswald it might be more legitimate, but when someone actually knows the person and it takes place at a certain critical moment, people tend to remember. I remember vividly much of what I saw and heard at the critical moments on September 11, 2001 and I think you would find most people are the same. People typically remember who they saw right before the President was assassinated, specifically if they saw someone they knew for a while at that time.

    In the world of the conspiracist lack of evidence for the mob connections means it makes more sense that it was a mob hit.
    I'm not talking about lack of evidence. I am talking about a lack of belief. Were you to carry out a very public hit would you use someone who would be quickly and easily identified as a mob hitman or would you go with someone whose family will swear the idea of him being involved with the mob is absurd?

    Do you think Ruby was likewise silenced?
    I think Ruby could be kept quiet without being killed.
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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    Translation: "The only credible eyewitness testimony is the testimony that serves my bias."
    No the translation is that eyewitness testimony is not very credible.

    Yeah, only problem is the person in the picture is clearly not wearing what the alleged man himself said he was wearing and was photographed wearing later, while it looks a lot like what Oswald was wearing. In any event it seems pretty clear to me that person standing there was not the person the FBI claimed.
    It's a black and white photo, they could be two completely different color clothes. Did anyone ever identify the man as Oswald?

    It's a lot more serious than that:

    AARC Public Digital Library - HSCA Appendix to Hearings - Volume IX, pg

    There's a lot of interesting information in there actually.
    The article asserts that Campisi being a member of organized crime has ranged from "definite, to suspect, to negative," and that there "was no indication that Campisi had engaged in any specific organized crime-related activities," but that he was a friend of many suspected mob members, it, also, states that Ruby's connection to Campisi is that he ate at one of Ruby's restaurants or club.

    So your article is only backing up the assertion that I said it would, Ruby had a tenuous (at best) relationship with A, and A knew B, so Ruby must have known B.

    If this was someone who did not know Oswald it might be more legitimate, but when someone actually knows the person and it takes place at a certain critical moment, people tend to remember. I remember vividly much of what I saw and heard at the critical moments on September 11, 2001 and I think you would find most people are the same. People typically remember who they saw right before the President was assassinated, specifically if they saw someone they knew for a while at that time.
    A) No matter how vivid your memory is it is not the same thing as a video recording no matter how much you may think so.

    B) Are you honestly going to suggest that you can remember exactly where someone was at precisely 11:23 AM on the morning of 9-11-2001? This is the type of eyewitness testimony which is not credible, people misremember all the time, they might be able to remember in a general sense of what they were doing but they can not remember definitively the specifics because that's simply not how memory works; such as, precise times, colors, whether someone is standing or sitting at certain times, etc.

    I'm not talking about lack of evidence. I am talking about a lack of belief. Were you to carry out a very public hit would you use someone who would be quickly and easily identified as a mob hitman or would you go with someone whose family will swear the idea of him being involved with the mob is absurd?
    I would use a professional hitter who wouldn't get caught. If I had the alleged ties with the police that allowed Ruby that close to Oswald I would have used an overdose of sodium pentathol to induce an untraceable appearance of a heart attack. Anyways the idea that you can "use" a person as a hitter who knows he's going to get caught is absurd. The truth is Ruby wanted his 15 minutes of fame and thought he would be welcomed as a hero.

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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    After looking into it a little more I would say I am fairly convinced the photo is not of Oswald.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    The article asserts that Campisi being a member of organized crime has ranged from "definite, to suspect, to negative," and that there "was no indication that Campisi had engaged in any specific organized crime-related activities," but that he was a friend of many suspected mob members, it, also, states that Ruby's connection to Campisi is that he ate at one of Ruby's restaurants or club.

    So your article is only backing up the assertion that I said it would, Ruby had a tenuous (at best) relationship with A, and A knew B, so Ruby must have known B.
    Did you read the whole thing? He said they knew each other since 1947, mentioned Ruby eating at his restaurant, him going to the clubs Ruby operated, meeting him at sporting events, and Ruby going over to his house once. He then claimed he never socialized with Ruby and yet in another instance he says that Ruby operated the clubs on a cash basis always having money in his pockets (he would later say he never knew Ruby to carry around large sums of money). He also had been the first person called to Ruby's cell and spoke with him for ten minutes.

    I advise you to read more as well. For one his long-suspected involvement in gambling and bookmaking operations together with ties to members of the Dallas Police, DA's office, and hell he even killed a guy. Not to mention he was good buddies with the Marcellos including Carlos Marcello.

    I would use a professional hitter who wouldn't get caught. If I had the alleged ties with the police that allowed Ruby that close to Oswald I would have used an overdose of sodium pentathol to induce an untraceable appearance of a heart attack.
    I think you watch too many movies.

    Anyways the idea that you can "use" a person as a hitter who knows he's going to get caught is absurd.
    If you make it a choice between being dead and being in prison you most certainly can.
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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    After looking into it a little more I would say I am fairly convinced the photo is not of Oswald.
    I have no idea whether or not it is Oswald only that there is no evidence that it is Oswald. What convinced you it wasn't Oswald?


    Did you read the whole thing?
    I read the entire page that you presented.

    He said they knew each other since 1947,
    "Or '49."

    mentioned Ruby eating at his restaurant,him going to the clubs Ruby operated, meeting him at sporting events, and Ruby going over to his house once.
    So they were in the same social circle.


    He then claimed he never socialized with Ruby and yet in another instance he says that Ruby operated the clubs on a cash basis always having money in his pockets (he would later say he never knew Ruby to carry around large sums of money).
    So he's not a very credible witness is he?

    He also had been the first person called to Ruby's cell and spoke with him for ten minutes.
    Because Ruby wanted to know the reaction from their shared circle of friends.

    I advise you to read more as well. For one his long-suspected involvement in gambling and bookmaking operations together with ties to members of the Dallas Police, DA's office, and hell he even killed a guy. Not to mention he was good buddies with the Marcellos including Carlos Marcello.

    In other words Ruby had a tenuous relationship with a guy who knew a guy.

    The article makes it clear that there was no evidence that Cambisi was directly involved in organized crime related activity.


    If you make it a choice between being dead and being in prison you most certainly can.
    This would have made the choice all that much simpler IE going to the Feds and turning states evidence.

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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

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    This is in the wrong forum Newsbuters is a blog site "not actual news." So this is someone opinion of what he says, and hell it could be made up.
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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    I have no idea whether or not it is Oswald only that there is no evidence that it is Oswald. What convinced you it wasn't Oswald?
    I found this picture of Lovelady:



    You look at pictures of Oswald and compare both to the photo and it seems most likely that it is Lovelady.

    I read the entire page that you presented.
    Well, then I can only assume your previous post was deliberate deception on your part since you would know full well that it was more than Ruby eating at a restaurant and that their ties were not tenuous. You also wouldn't so quickly dismiss Campisi's mob affiliation.

    "Or '49."
    I'm not sure it makes a whole lot of difference if they knew each other for 14 instead of 16 years.

    So they were in the same social circle.
    Yet he claims they never socialized.

    So he's not a very credible witness is he?
    As far as his connection to Ruby I would say not. I would also say his denial of being involved in criminal activity is not credible.

    Because Ruby wanted to know the reaction from their shared circle of friends.
    Really? The guy Campisi said he never socialized with went to him first to find out people's reactions. Never mind that is the flimsiest reason given for meeting someone I've heard, especially having that person be the first one you meet.

    In other words Ruby had a tenuous relationship with a guy who knew a guy.
    All right, you are obviously just deliberately using deceitful and misleading language now and I'm tired of it. It was more than a tenuous relationship. Also, this was not just Campisi knowing a guy, but being chummy with mob bosses. There are other interesting things about Ruby's ties with the mob involving other individuals, especially as it concerns a trip to Havana and calls he made to a number of mobsters and known mob associates, by mob associates here I mean people who were not mobsters but worked for the mob.

    The article makes it clear that there was no evidence that Cambisi was directly involved in organized crime related activity.
    What are you? PR for the mob? When someone has people inside the DA's office and inside the police department I would hardly expect them to ever get convicted of anything.

    This would have made the choice all that much simpler IE going to the Feds and turning states evidence.
    I seem to recall you making similar fanciful and romantic claims about the integrity of the American justice system. He wouldn't be able to prove jack, the mob would definitely learn of it, and he'd still end up dead.
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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    Well, then I can only assume your previous post was deliberate deception on your part since you would know full well that it was more than Ruby eating at a restaurant and that their ties were not tenuous. You also wouldn't so quickly dismiss Campisi's mob affiliation.
    Ya they ate at a few of the same restaurants and Ruby might have been to his house once.

    I'm not sure it makes a whole lot of difference if they knew each other for 14 instead of 16 years.
    What matters is the fact that there's no evidence that Cambisi himself was involved in organized crime.


    Yet he claims they never socialized.
    I don't socialize with all of the people in my social circle, I know A, A knows B, B is often at the parties that I attend due to my knowing A but I do not really know B all to well.

    As far as his connection to Ruby I would say not. I would also say his denial of being involved in criminal activity is not credible.
    I would say that your article states clearly that there was no evidence of him being guilty of organized crime-related activity.

    Really? The guy Campisi said he never socialized with went to him first to find out people's reactions. Never mind that is the flimsiest reason given for meeting someone I've heard, especially having that person be the first one you meet.
    Maybe he was the only person he could reach.

    All right, you are obviously just deliberately using deceitful and misleading language now and I'm tired of it. It was more than a tenuous relationship. Also, this was not just Campisi knowing a guy, but being chummy with mob bosses.
    So what, that in no way proves that Ruby was chummy with a mob boss.

    There are other interesting things about Ruby's ties with the mob involving other individuals, especially as it concerns a trip to Havana and calls he made to a number of mobsters and known mob associates, by mob associates here I mean people who were not mobsters but worked for the mob.
    Which known members of organized crime did Ruby have as associates?

    What are you? PR for the mob? When someone has people inside the DA's office and inside the police department I would hardly expect them to ever get convicted of anything.
    So he had connections in the FBI as well?

    I seem to recall you making similar fanciful and romantic claims about the integrity of the American justice system. He wouldn't be able to prove jack, the mob would definitely learn of it, and he'd still end up dead.
    Ya I'm sure the Feds wouldn't A) love a chance to go after the mob for killing Kennedy, and B) love even more going after the CIA if they were involved. If there really was mob involvement in the assassination of JFK and Ruby had knowledge of it he could have turned states evidence for the Feds and ended up in WitSec rather than dead or in prison.

    The idea that the mob would have risked that rather than turning to a professional hitter is simply not credible.

    Moreover, the mob has been thoroughly dissected from top to bottom and there is 0 hard evidence of their involvement, or anyone's involvement besides Oswald for that matter.
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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Ya they ate at a few of the same restaurants and Ruby might have been to his house once.
    I'm pretty thoroughly convinced that you have no real interest in an honest debate now, but rather are just wanting to repeat false or misleading claims over and over in the hopes it will have some sort of effect that can allow you to claim you won the debate.

    Ruby ate at Campisi's restaurant on a regular basis and Campisi went to several of Ruby's clubs several times. That Ruby considered him such a friend that he would be the first person he'd meet after being arrested speaks volumes about their ties to each other.

    What matters is the fact that there's no evidence that Cambisi himself was involved in organized crime.
    You know, I'm pretty sure if this had no impact on something you perceived as a delusional conspiracy theory you would not be making this argument.

    Maybe he was the only person he could reach.
    Yeah, no.

    So what, that in no way proves that Ruby was chummy with a mob boss.
    True, but it makes a much more compelling case that Ruby had direct ties with the mob.

    Which known members of organized crime did Ruby have as associates?
    This lists some names and the manner of association as well as conclusions of the HSCA:

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    Given the evidence and the conclusions of the committee it seems probable that Ruby not only associated with the mob, but that he had at least participated in some mob activities.

    So he had connections in the FBI as well?
    I do not know about Campisi personally, but definitely other major mob figures did, not to mention CIA who used the mob to support the anti-Castro forces. Of course, if the local police insist there is nothing there it can have an influence on whether the FBI does anything as well. Not to mention Hoover spent most of his career denying the very existence of the mob.

    Ya I'm sure the Feds wouldn't A) love a chance to go after the mob for killing Kennedy, and B) love even more going after the CIA if they were involved. If there really was mob involvement in the assassination of JFK and Ruby had knowledge of it he could have turned states evidence for the Feds and ended up in WitSec rather than dead or in prison.
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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    I'm pretty thoroughly convinced that you have no real interest in an honest debate now, but rather are just wanting to repeat false or misleading claims over and over in the hopes it will have some sort of effect that can allow you to claim you won the debate.

    Ruby ate at Campisi's restaurant on a regular basis and Campisi went to several of Ruby's clubs several times. That Ruby considered him such a friend that he would be the first person he'd meet after being arrested speaks volumes about their ties to each other.
    Whatever's clever they ate at eachother's restaurants, regardless there's no evidence that Campisi himself was a member of the mob.


    You know, I'm pretty sure if this had no impact on something you perceived as a delusional conspiracy theory you would not be making this argument.
    Somethings pretty delusional when you're asserting that the mob would use a known snitch to perform the hit on the man who killed the President on their behalf.

    So who is expected to silence the silencer? It's ****ing ridiculous.


    Yeah, no.


    True, but it makes a much more compelling case that Ruby had direct ties with the mob.
    A knows B and B knows C =/= A knows B. It is not a compelling case for anything.

    This lists some names and the manner of association as well as conclusions of the HSCA:

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    Given the evidence and the conclusions of the committee it seems probable that Ruby not only associated with the mob, but that he had at least participated in some mob activities.
    Ya I'm not digging through 20+ pages what's there names and what are the associations? Again this makes no sense, Oswald has not been demonstrated to have any mob connections, the only guy you have named and not file dumped onto me is Campisi and it is said he was not personally a member of the mob. Apparently low level wise coming into Ruby's club = mob ties.

    I do not know about Campisi personally, but definitely other major mob figures did,
    Who? Name them. I'm not digging through a file dump.

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