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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
    This old argument proves too much. By your reasoning, no government or criminal organization would ever have reason to silence anyone. And yet we know they do.
    Ruby was a run down night club owner whose connections with the mob were pretty much non-existent as made clear by Bugliosi:

    It is very noteworthy that without exception, not one of these conspiracy theorists knew or had ever met Jack Ruby. Without our even resorting to his family and roommate, all of whom think the suggestion of Ruby being connected to the mob is ridiculous, those who knew him, unanimously and without exception, think the notion of his being connected to the Mafia, and then killing Oswald for them, is nothing short of laughable.[12]

    Anyways where is the evidence that Oswald had any connection with Ruby aside from some guy somewhere saying that he onetime saw Oswald in one of Ruby's nightclubs?


    It was Oswald, not Castro, who supposedly tried to infiltrate the DRE. There was thus a mutual connection between the CIA and Oswald, which the committee was never able to investigate because the CIA concealed it.
    Oswald was pro-Castro, the DRE was anti-Castro and knowingly working with the CIA.

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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Agent Ferris, it does prove that a man that looked liked Oswald was at the bottom of the book depositary on the day of the Kennedy assassination. Oh, and guess what the person who shot the photograph, AND his wife died by emission poisoning from a broken fire place in his home. James Altgens, was an Associated Press photographer who took the photo showing at the time of Kennedy grabbing his throat. It clearly shows someone that looks likes Oswald at the bottom of the book depositary. I am a conspiracy theorist, but I am also a reasonable kind as well. When you do research in to the assassination of Kennedy their is just to many weird events like the Zuperder film for one thing. He goes back a little, and then to the left which to me seem like he was shot from the front instead of the back however physic wise I can see him being shot behind his head. ie force to the object ectt. However I myself don't think Oswald did this alone I think he did it with some help of some short got money from Castro, or the mafia ectt... .




    Pleas excuse me for going way off topic, I was just trying to prove mister Winston point about something fishy going on

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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    The point is more people believe in the bull**** conspiracy theory thanks to that horse**** work of fiction passed off to the public as history.
    I doubt it had a great deal of impact except maybe some people watched it and did some research afterwards. That's about all I can think of with regards to your accusation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Eyewitness testimony = ****, any cop will tell you that, you will have 100 different people telling you 100 different stories especially with a crowd as large as the one in Dealey Plaza on that day.
    There is a big difference when dealing with people who know someone personally. Eyewitness like that can generally be considered more reliable than the typical on-the-street interview.

    Furthermore; even if there was a connection between Ruby and Oswald (which there isn't any actual evidence for) the idea that Ruby was involved in anything other than an act of revenge in killing Oswald is patently absurd, think about it, you hire a guy to silence the guy to kill the President, then you silence the guy hired to silence the guy to kill the President, but then wait you still have to silence the guy who silenced the guy who silenced the guy who killed the President etc etc ad infinitum.
    Ruby had ties to the mafia, the mafia do that sort of thing all the time and back then the CIA were good friends with the mafia allowing them to prevent anything to point at mafia involvement.
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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post

    There is a big difference when dealing with people who know someone personally. Eyewitness like that can generally be considered more reliable than the typical on-the-street interview.
    Agreed but that's not the type of testimony which was presented to the House Select Committee, they relied on people who heard shots and the like, the only actual credible evidence they had was the long debunked audio analysis which the computer animation sequence which combined numerous video recordings for a single 3-d map of the entire event proved that no motorcycle cop was where it needed to be. The audio analysists made a huge assumption and they have been proven wrong.


    Ruby had ties to the mafia, the mafia do that sort of thing all the time and back then the CIA were good friends with the mafia allowing them to prevent anything to point at mafia involvement.
    He didn't really have ties to the mafia though unless you count knowing a guy who knew a guy who was once connected to the mob to be a valid connection.

    You know that eyewitness testimony that you assert is credible (to which I agree with BTW) well Ruby's family and friends find the claims of his mafia ties and that he would kill Oswald for the mob to be laughable as cited in Bugliosi's authoritative book on the subject of the JFK assassination.

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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    Agent Ferris, it does prove that a man that looked liked Oswald was at the bottom of the book depositary on the day of the Kennedy assassination.
    It doesn't prove anything, are we looking at the same freaking photo here?

    A) That photo is not conclusive for a visual identification.

    B) It is in black and white thus the color of the shirts worn by both Oswald and the man in the picture could be two totally different colors for all we know.

    C) There is no timestamp on the photograph so even if it was Oswald (a huge if) it proves absolutely nothing.

    Oh, and guess what the person who shot the photograph, AND his wife died by emission poisoning from a broken fire place in his home. James Altgens, was an Associated Press photographer who took the photo showing at the time of Kennedy grabbing his throat.
    lol he died in ****ing 1995 pal, are you asserting that these conspirators bided their time and gassed him and his wife more than 30 years after the Kennedy assassination?

    I mean seriously, you conspiracists will try anything.

    It clearly shows someone that looks likes Oswald at the bottom of the book depositary.
    I see a blury black and white photo with no timestamp.

    I am a conspiracy theorist, but I am also a reasonable kind as well. When you do research in to the assassination of Kennedy their is just to many weird events like the Zuperder film for one thing. He goes back a little, and then to the left which to me seem like he was shot from the front instead of the back however physic wise I can see him being shot behind his head. ie force to the object ectt.
    Sometimes people shot from behind spasm forward and sometimes they spasm backwards.

    However I myself don't think Oswald did this alone I think he did it with some help of some short got money from Castro, or the mafia ectt... .

    Ya I'm not going to watch the zapruder film it's disgusting.

    Pleas excuse me for going way off topic, I was just trying to prove mister Winston point about something fishy going on
    Still no evidence pointing to anyone but Oswald.
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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Agreed but that's not the type of testimony which was presented to the House Select Committee, they relied on people who heard shots and the like, the only actual credible evidence they had was the long debunked audio analysis which the computer animation sequence which combined numerous video recordings for a single 3-d map of the entire event proved that no motorcycle cop was where it needed to be. The audio analysists made a huge assumption and they have been proven wrong.
    You were challenging the testimony of one his co-workers as it concerns what he saw on the day of the assassination. Also concerning the photo posted earlier that appears to be Oswald but investigators identified as someone else, despite obvious reasons to question that, a supervisor of the person it was claimed to be said that person had been sitting on the steps rather than standing in the doorway like the man in the photo.

    He didn't really have ties to the mafia though unless you count knowing a guy who knew a guy who was once connected to the mob to be a valid connection.
    That is hardly an accurate description. He was well-known associates of two people who at the very least had ties to a local mob boss and may have even been major players in the organization. We are talking at most two degrees of separation which is hardly enough to say someone didn't have ties to the mob, especially when they all live in the same city at the same time.

    You know that eyewitness testimony that you assert is credible (to which I agree with BTW) well Ruby's family and friends find the claims of his mafia ties and that he would kill Oswald for the mob to be laughable as cited in Bugliosi's authoritative book on the subject of the JFK assassination.
    That's a little different from what we were talking about. Those would not be eyewitnesses, but character witnesses and that is far from the same thing. A lot of people may be close to someone but not really know about everything that goes on with them. Though, on some level it actually makes more sense to have someone who no one would peg for executing a mob hit to carry out a mob hit, specifically one that would be caught on camera. Had Oswald been killed by a clear mobster or under suspicious circumstances in his cell then there would be more investigation, but Jack Ruby shot him in front of the whole world. No controversy there.
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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Sometimes people shot from behind spasm forward and sometimes they spasm backwards.



    Ya I'm not going to watch the zapruder film it's disgusting.
    If you would watch the movie you would see that it's not a spasm. He goes back and to the left from impact from a bullet. Also don't forget that there are officially two government theories on the assassination: one claims that there was one shooter, another claims that there were at least two.

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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    You were challenging the testimony of one his co-workers as it concerns what he saw on the day of the assassination.
    That is not the type of witness testimony which is credible. I agreed that character witnesses testimony is acceptable IE a wife or bestfriend testifying to the persons mob ties. The eyewitness testimony you are referring to is not credible at all as it involves people being asked hours to days after the even the exact time and the like. What exactly were you doing at 11:53 AM yesterday, who was with you, and where was so and so, was he sitting or standing at that exact time. Memory is simply not a video recording.

    Also concerning the photo posted earlier that appears to be Oswald
    It appears to be a blury picture.

    but investigators identified as someone else, despite obvious reasons to question that, a supervisor of the person it was claimed to be said that person had been sitting on the steps rather than standing in the doorway like the man in the photo.
    lol I guess people in a sitting position must remain in a sitting position. I mean the guy could have never have stood up or anything.

    That is hardly an accurate description. He was well-known associates of two people who at the very least had ties to a local mob boss
    So he knew two guys who may have had a ties to the mob.

    and may have even been major players in the organization. We are talking at most two degrees of separation which is hardly enough to say someone didn't have ties to the mob, especially when they all live in the same city at the same time.
    Which two guys? When were these alleged two guys supposed to have had their connections to this local mob boss? Who was this alleged mob boss? What were their ties to that local mob boss? What was Ruby's connections to these two guys?

    What you are doing is saying that A knew B and B knew C so A must have known C. That is not a serious connection at all.


    That's a little different from what we were talking about. Those would not be eyewitnesses, but character witnesses and that is far from the same thing. A lot of people may be close to someone but not really know about everything that goes on with them.
    Eyewitness testimony is not reliable especially the kind of eyewitness testimony you are talking about. We are not talking about an alibi here we are talking about someone who remembered as an afterthought when questioned that Oswald was at a certain place at an exact time, this is the exact kind of eyewitness testimony which is completely unreliable.

    Though on some level it actually makes more sense to have someone who no one would peg for executing a mob hit to carry out a mob hit, specifically one that would be caught on camera.
    In the world of the conspiracist lack of evidence for the mob connections means it makes more sense that it was a mob hit.

    Had Oswald been killed by a clear mobster or under suspicious circumstances in his cell then there would be more investigation, but Jack Ruby shot him in front of the whole world. No controversy there.
    Do you think Ruby was likewise silenced?
    Well there shouldn't be any controversy due to the fact that there is no evidence for a Jack Ruby-Mafia connection other than he knew A and A may have known B.

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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    If you would watch the movie you would see that it's not a spasm. He goes back and to the left from impact from a bullet.
    You would think conspiracists would be sick of being wrong:

    The simple fact is that John F. Kennedy's head did not snap "back and to the left." What the human eye cannot perceive with ease while viewing the Zapruder film is clearly revealed in a frame-by-frame comparison: that between Zapruder frames 312 and 313, the President's head is propelled forward several inches (2.3 inches, according to one study),(2) before strongly snapping backwards, beginning at frame 313 (the first frame in which the results of the bullet strike become visible).


    The fifth shot ("Back and to the left"): Oliver Stone's JFK: The JFK 100: JFK assassination investigation: Jim Garrison New Orleans investigation of the John F. Kennedy assassination
    Also don't forget that there are officially two government theories on the assassination: one claims that there was one shooter, another claims that there were at least two.
    For the House Select Committee ruled that there was a conspiracy because (and only because) it relied on the audio analysis from the motorcycle cops open CB radio and this evidence has since been completely debunked because it was assumed that the motorcycle was in a precise location at the time of the shooting and using computer animation to combine several visual recordings it has been determined concluslively that no motorcycle cops were anywhere near that location at the time of the shooting.

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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    So those motorcycles right next to the president's car in the Zapruder Film are secret service?

    And the force for his head to go back so quickly came from where?

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