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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Holy **** it obviously lists whether or not they are Jewish.
    Actually no, it doesn't. Some it simply doesn't list their religion, which is where they put Jewish.

    So ****ing what, do the Oppenheimers consider themselves to be Jewish? Obviously not. And a major paper with a total readership of 120,000 for the giant Jewish population of the U.K. of a whopping 250,000.
    The significance is more that the UK is the Oppenheimer's second home as it were. Also looking more, it appears his father was also Jewish at first and later converted. Both his father and grandfather were heavily involved in Jewish causes and maintained their ties with the Jewish community.

    Ethnicity can include race, when discussing Jews as an ethnicity we use their religion to determine that ethnicity, but it is clear you are not using their religion to determine that ethnicity as you are considering non-Jews with a Jewish grandparent to be Jews so it is obvious that you are using racial rather than cultural traits to determine ethnicity.
    You really need to get familiar with these terms:

    2 a : of or relating to large groups of people classed according to common racial, national, tribal, religious, linguistic, or cultural origin or background
    Source: Merriam-Webster

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    When are you gonna stop misrepresenting your own damn sources? It does not treat Jewish and white as mutually exclusive terms and only seems to leave it out obviously due to uncertainty. In fact, just to prove you wrong:

    Michael Eisner

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    Obviously your source is not authoritative or for that matter saying someone isn't a Jew just because it doesn't say a person is a Jew.

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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    Actually no, it doesn't. Some it simply doesn't list their religion, which is where they put Jewish.
    I guess they're all secret Jews. Do you see Jews everywhere?

    Anyways how are you defining a Jew exactly?

    The significance is more that the UK is the Oppenheimer's second home as it were. Also looking more, it appears his father was also Jewish at first and later converted. Both his father and grandfather were heavily involved in Jewish causes and maintained their ties with the Jewish community.
    Once a member of the tribe always a member of the tribe eh?

    You really need to get familiar with these terms:

    Source: Merriam-Webster
    I am familiar with these terms because you are clearly using the race basis for ethnicity because you are claiming that converted Jews or Christians with one or two Jewish grandparents are themselves Jews. Just how exactly do you define a Jew sir?

    When are you gonna stop misrepresenting your own damn sources? It does not treat Jewish and white as mutually exclusive terms and only seems to leave it out obviously due to uncertainty. In fact, just to prove you wrong:

    Michael Eisner
    I did more research than just that article I posted, I included Mort Zuckerman listed as white in the article as Jewish even though it says he is white, but anyways how exactly are defining someone as a Jew? Is one Jewish grandparent enough for them to be classified as Jewish?

    Obviously your source is not authoritative or for that matter saying someone isn't a Jew just because it doesn't say a person is a Jew.
    Ya and wikipedia is the end all and be all of authoritative sources, you know what I think? I think you went to Jew Watch or a similar Nazi website, found a list of suspected Jews in the media and then cross referenced it with wikipedia. In fact I'd be willing to bet my bottom dollar on it.

    Mainly those rivals from the left.
    Mainly rivals to his consolidation of absolute power.
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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
    I've heard quite a few history lectures in the short time I've been on this site...most of them from people who didn't seem to know much about history.
    Granted, but just because some fool on this forum wants to blabber about history does not make Oliver Stone the man of quality.
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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Granted, but just because some fool on this forum wants to blabber about history does not make Oliver Stone the man of quality.
    He raises issues that some people don't want to deal with, so he's hated. No surprise. That's part of what good artists do.

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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
    He raises issues that some people don't want to deal with, so he's hated. No surprise. That's part of what good artists do.
    He's a propagandist of the highest order, the man deals in bull****, he responsible for the vast majority of people who believe in a JFK conspiracy even though his film was a complete fabrication from start to finish. That's not useful that's harmful.
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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    He's a propagandist of the highest order, the man deals in bull****, he responsible for the vast majority of people who believe in a JFK conspiracy even though his film was a complete fabrication from start to finish. That's not useful that's harmful.
    Actually, the film had little or no effect on the number of people who believe there was a conspiracy. A majority believe in a conspiracy because there probably was one. What the film did do was prompt Congress to open up more records to the public, which I suppose you would consider "harmful." If there really was no conspiracy, however, opening the records would tend to dispel myths rather than promote them.

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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    I guess they're all secret Jews.
    No some of them are just not outspoken about their beliefs or background.

    Anyways how are you defining a Jew exactly?
    I would have to say when we are dealing with a sort of dynasty I would generally consider anyone in that line to be Jewish when there are only a few generations of separation from the last to consider his or herself Jewish. This also depends on whether they still are considered a member of the Jewish community.

    Once a member of the tribe always a member of the tribe eh?
    If that were the case I would consider most of the Palestinians Jews and I don't.

    I did more research than just that article I posted
    If this were true you would not have suggested the source failing to call someone Jewish means they are not Jewish.

    Ya and wikipedia is the end all and be all of authoritative sources, you know what I think? I think you went to Jew Watch or a similar Nazi website, found a list of suspected Jews in the media and then cross referenced it with wikipedia. In fact I'd be willing to bet my bottom dollar on it.
    I gave Wikipedia because I had already checked other sources with no bias that confirmed it. For instance articles like this on Iger: Who runs Hollywood? C'mon - Los Angeles Times
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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
    Actually, the film had little or no effect on the number of people who believe there was a conspiracy.
    From your link:

    63 percent of viewers suspect there was a second gunman; that declines to 43 percent of those who haven't seen the film. And 78 percent of viewers suspect a cover-up, compared to 61 percent of non-viewers. But this doesn't necessarily mean that seeing the movie creates suspicion; it could be instead that suspicious people have been drawn to the film

    A majority believe in a conspiracy because there probably was one. What the film did do was prompt Congress to open up more records to the public, which I suppose you would consider "harmful." If there really was no conspiracy, however, opening the records would tend to dispel myths rather than promote them.
    The House Select Committee ruled that there was a conspiracy because (and only because) it relied on the audio analysis from the motorcycle cops open CB radio and this evidence has since been completely debunked because it was assumed that the motorcycle was in a precise location at the time of the shooting and using computer animation to combine several visual recordings it has been determined concluslively that no motorcycle cops were anywhere near that location at the time of the shooting.

    Thanks to Vincent Bugliosi's 1600 pg. "Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy," it has now been proven beyond the shadow of any reasonable doubt that Oswald killed Kennedy and he acted alone.

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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    From your link:

    63 percent of viewers suspect there was a second gunman; that declines to 43 percent of those who haven't seen the film. And 78 percent of viewers suspect a cover-up, compared to 61 percent of non-viewers. But this doesn't necessarily mean that seeing the movie creates suspicion; it could be instead that suspicious people have been drawn to the film
    Do you even contemplate the likelihood that more people who believe in a conspiracy watched it than those who believe the official story?
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    Re: Oliver Stone: 'Jewish-Dominated Media' Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed 'in C

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    From your link:

    63 percent of viewers suspect there was a second gunman; that declines to 43 percent of those who haven't seen the film. And 78 percent of viewers suspect a cover-up, compared to 61 percent of non-viewers. But this doesn't necessarily mean that seeing the movie creates suspicion; it could be instead that suspicious people have been drawn to the film
    And also from the same link:

    Belief in a broader plot peaked at 80 percent in a 1983 ABCNEWS poll; it's since eased a bit, to today's 70 percent. Similarly, the number of people who think there was an official cover-up has moved back from its peak, 81 percent in 1993, to 68 percent now.

    Twenty percent of Americans say the film made them more likely to think there was a conspiracy behind the assassination. But many of them may have held that view even without the film's influence. The overall number who suspect a conspiracy is the same now as it was in a poll leading up to the movie's release, before many people had a chance to see it. And as noted, suspicions of a plot peaked in 1983, long before the film was made.
    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris
    The House Select Committee ruled that there was a conspiracy because (and only because) it relied on the audio analysis from the motorcycle cops open CB radio and this evidence has since been completely debunked because it was assumed that the motorcycle was in a precise location at the time of the shooting and using computer animation to combine several visual recordings it has been determined concluslively that no motorcycle cops were anywhere near that location at the time of the shooting.

    Thanks to Vincent Bugliosi's 1600 pg. "Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy," it has now been proven beyond the shadow of any reasonable doubt that Oswald killed Kennedy and he acted alone.
    There was other evidence as well. Most likely Oswald killed him; whether he acted alone I don't think has been proven. The chief counsel to the committee has stated unequivocally that the CIA lied to them, which complicates matters.

    In any case, Stone's film is the story of an investigation, not something that claims to be absolute truth. It advances several incompatible theories, one of which is that the US government had nothing to do with the assassination but was covering up foreign involvement in order to prevent further bloodshed. Even if the conspiracy theories only thrived because the government was too defensive, pressing for answers is still the best way to restore confidence. The effort is useful either way.
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